http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_...line-passes-dc-to-honor-an-alum-and-more.html Per Ives: "The Houston Dynamo Under-18 team pulled of quite an upset on Tuesday, knocking off Real Madrid's youth squad, 3-2, in exhibition action in Valdebas, Spain. Midfielder Josue Morales scored the game-winner and assisted on the first two goals for the Dynamo U-18s, with defender Reagan Haisler and midfielder Christian Camera providing the other goals. The victory, and overall performance by Houston's youth squad, has turned some heads, with Camera earning a one-week training stint with Valencia after impressing scouts" Seems we have more good kids in the MLS youth ranks than the kids at FC Dallas (Leyva, Luna, etc.). Anybody know this kid? Has he been in any US youth camps/squads?
Posters in the YA thread on Christian found the following links. Camera is listed on the U15 squad for Houston, and was born in 1994 according to this link: http://web.mlsnet.com/t200/youth/academy/u15/ Heplays for Eclipse, a club that appears to have several affiliates all over the US, and is predominantly sposored by Nike. http://www.eclipseselect.org/index.php
Maybe Ives will fill us in. Anybody know anything about this kid? It's an impressive victory for the Houston kids. We've got more talent in those MLS U16, U18 squads than people realize.
Yes we do, for example 6'0 180-pound 16-year old Jonathan Agudelo in the Red Bulls Academy currently with the U-17 National team......can be the new Altidore for NY next season...........but i doubt he gets signed since this league is obsessed about "Expierance" over talent. Even if it means picking up 30-year old 3rd rate wash-ups because they have "Expierance".
Most MLS coaches have little to no experience or understanding of how to integrate younger players into their MLS squads. They've been working with 22+ year olds most of their career.
It's their job to win games..........not train 16 year olds. It takes a lot more time/effort to train up a 17 year old than to simply buy a 22 year old with a known level of talent. Most coaches aren't going to be around by the time the 17 year old becomes good anyway. This is why they've got reserve teams/coaches in the rest of the world. Americans also seem to get more easily seduced by the really talented 16-17 year olds when they see them play against other 16-17 year olds.
Integrate a 15 yr old into the first team? That's why European Teams have Residential Academies and Reserve Teams to train elite youth to move into First Team Football. MLS doesn't have the infrastructure to do it. It's not the coaches fault.
If Valencia wants to eventually sign him can Houston Dynamo ask for a transfer fee or will we be giving our young good players to them.
The Dynamo would get one, it just won't be very large. I believe there's some sort of mandatory FIFA development charge they pay. Be happy to be corrected by someone who knows more.
Corrected? I asked a question and you answered it. If that's what you want to call it correct me again. So it wouldn't be a True Transfer Fee? What is a FIFA development charge. Never heard of it. I thought to charge a tranfer fee they had to be 'on the books', whatever that means. Does it mean pay a salary. If all players no matter if they are 'on the books' or not have 'development charges' attached wouldn't Colleges, Bradenton, Club teams, DA teams be able to get Development charges? I never heard the Chicago Sockers get anything for J.Spector and so on.... Correct away!
I was confused at first also .... pretty sure the intended meaning was "I'd be happy to be corrected ...", as opposed to "You should be happy to be corrected ...."
Camera celebrating his goal against Real Madrid. It's the seventh pic in the album. http://houston.mlsnet.com/gallery/photogallery.jsp?pathid=200908196502274&vkey=t200
Nowhere did I say that. Nowhere did I say that. --------------------------- Hyperbole --------------------------- Most MLS coaches have worked with mature 22+ year olds while in MLS. Is it a surprise that they may have problems working an 18, 19, or 20 year old who has the skills and physical abilities into the lineup?? I think most MLS fans would admit that coaches are hesitant to try out youth in this league.
You are making an obvious statement then making it sound like its a problem. Of course there are inherent risks and issues with any young athlete learning a craft then competing with fully mature adults who are at their physical and mental best. Coaches better be hesitant in determining if a young player has all the myriad of tools to compete.
I've never heard of any development fee. One thing for sure is that someone needs to convince the NCAA to change their rules and allow soccer players to sign some type of contract and maintain their eligibility. Maybe even have college teams sign players to contract so that they can sell players to Europe and split the earnings with the kid's youth team.
There are few things in the universe more certain than the NCAA never, ever, ever allowing something like that. It's more likely that the Green Party wins the Presidency, or the moon is secretly a base operated by malevolent aliens. One of the few things the NCAA bothers to enforce (as opposed to booster violations *cough* Reggie Bush *cough*) is amateur status. They'll look the other way if a star player rolls up in a brand new Escalade, but a contract with anyone for ANYTHING, never, ever, ever, ever, ever.
yet another reason why they need to fix and reinstate the reserves league... perhaps if the rumors of MLS aiming to buy out USL are true, we might see just that...
Oh my god! What an unfortunate typo. I'm sorry, Pull One Back is correct. I somehow managed to forget the "I'd" and it looks just awful. My bad. Yes, I meant that if someone knew more than me, I'd be happy to be corrected. Apologies.
I'm no expert, but I remember this being instituted at the same time as the "no transfering to another country before you're 18 rule". It was all about protecting young players, and the clubs that develop them. That way when Man U come and buy Rooney at 18, Everton (I think) would be entitled to some additional compensation as well as a piece of any other transfer fee Man U would get for selling him in the next several years. I believe this rule went into effect after the Rooney transfer, so it doesn't apply, but I'm using it as an example of one case where it would apply now. I'm probably explaining it badly. Regards, Scumby
Isnt' what you're describing just the standard transfer fee then a sell on fee. There are many examples of transfer fees for players under 18. I'm still confused. I've never heard any figure for any US player that is not signed to a professional contract, no matter whether they call it a transfer fee or developement fee.
LIke I said I'm no expert, and I just remember reading about it a few years ago when it was introduced. Is a sell-on fee always a part of a transfer? I thought the point of requiring it in the case of a young player was to guarantee that the club that developed the player was compensated fairly for their efforts, and incent them to continue youth development. You could probably pose this question on the Yanks Abroad boards and get an answer from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Regards, Scumby
I could be wrong about this, but I thought Charlie Davies's old club team FC Greater Boston received a small compensation when he signed his first pro contract.