Well, not all of you of course, but certainly some of those idiots who were present in that last Changsha match between Korea and China. There have been some incidents in the recent years in China where violent Chinese fans assaulted Korean fans when China lost a match against Korea (which happened more or less all the time). Back in 2000 or 2001 there was a friendly in Beijing, where after much hype about the assured victory the Chinese NT lost to a Korean Olympics Squad 0:1. Afterwards a gang of CHN fans surrounded a female Korean exchange student, bashed her head and otherwise assaulted her, some even proceeding to urinate on her. Then there was than incomprehensible series of events during the World Cup 2002, when the Chinese media (CCTV5?) started openly criticising Korea's achievement during the tournament, stating corruption and unfair play et c et c (what, does an Asian team always has to LOSE to those European superpowers? It wasn't Korea's fault that Team China sucked big time and got bundled out of the tournament without scoring a goal). It's quite well known that during those couple months many Koreans staying in China got harassed by angry Chinese fans, who felt they were cheated when Korea knocked out major football powers - how dare they(Korea) beat teams like Portugal, Italy and Spain? Outsiders wonder why Korean fans on the Internet detest Chinese fans in general - indeed, we have no real reason to. Football's just a game after all, and albeit a very popular one it's not something you'd bring nationalistic fervor into it(for most reasonable people). But wouldn't anybody be put off with those kind of treatments? There's no denying that China's standard is rising fast, but they are still some way off to compete against World's best, let alone to dispute for the title of Asia's best. And believe it or not, China is still not as good as Korea. Never was. Not at present. And probably not for another few years, at least. So why are Chinese so hurt and outraged that they can't beat Korea? Guys, your team isn't that good yet. You should take it as a learning experience, not as a shame - there isn't any shame in losing to a better team. And while you are at it, leave Korean fans alone. Sorry for all that rambling, but anyways, back to the Changsha match. Many Korean fans were in trepidation for this match, not as much for the result but for the possible mishap the Korean Team or the travelling fans may suffer at the hands of Chinese. After all, China has nothing to lose, already knocked out from the group, so apparently they were going to give their all to break the so called hoodoo of Void-Korea-Syndrome - that they will finally win a match against that little country in the east (Funny thing is, that China has never beaten Korea at both senior level and Olympic level - just where are they getting the idea that China is now Korea's equal?). So Koreans expected much hostile affair, both from the players on the field and the fans in the stands, and hoping to get a favourable result without any bad incident. Well, despite much hype the game was pretty much one-sided affair, and Korea won a easy and convincing 2:0 victory sealing their olympic birth - and thankfully without serious any injuries. BUT then this happened: http://shinilta.co.kr/way-board/db/Free/file/jjankekins.wmv The lady was hit by a hard metal bolt about the size of a finger, and it cracked her head forcing her to be hospitalised. Luckily for her, the bolt hit another man's arm before contacting her head, so if not for that she may have been killed instantly. And prior to this incident, Korean fans were keep complaining to the security as they were being peppered with lighters, burning cigaretts and other assorted junk by the Chinese, the stadium security did nothing till someone got seriously injured. I dunno, watching things like that really make me worried for the Beijing Olympics in 2008. I'm not one for generalising, and not going to do it here, but some of you CHN football 'fans' are definitely THUGS, who shouldn't go anywhere near a football stadium. You'll never see that kind of behaviour from Korean fans toward foreign fans - the last World Cup being the proof. Major Korean football sites are now in turmoil at the moment regarding this affair, and the anti-China syndrome runs higher than ever before - with a vast majority want nothing to do with Chinese football anymore. No, we won't stoop to the level of China and harrass their fans when they come over to Korea. But who's loss would be bigger if Korea and China didn't play a game for say, another 10 years?
What the f??? Those people should be locked up and blacklisted. I'm pretty sure those people represent only a small percentage of us. As a matter of fact, I don't think most Chinese are hostile towards Koreans, maybe some of you just have bad experiences. For example, when chatting in a chinese BBS and Korea comes up in the subject, most people usually bitch about how hard your MMORPGs are at leveling Whenver theres a match on, and I have a choice between CCTV-5, SZTV-5 (Shenzhen), or the Guangdong Sports Channel. I usually choose the latter. Because CCTV doesn't know ********** about football, they always say the wrong things, like during that match our defender knocked your No.10 off the ball and the commentator said "thats probably not a foul" then the ref blows the whistle and he's like "what the hell? how can that be a foul". Well, it IS a foul you numbnuts. Bias for your own country is understandable, but not when you don't know **********. And about the fans, just forget it. I'm sorry to say, some of them aren't very well educated, I apologize on my behalf for any stupidity they did against the Korean fans. Fortunately, these people will probably never leave China in their lives, never mind setting foot on a foreign country to watch football. P.S.- I don't know about Changsha, but Beijing/Shanghai/Shenzhen are the best cities. There shouldn't be any problems for Beijing 2008.
the football federation needs to take appropriate actions. last time, Iran was suspended with no homefans or something for throwing firecrackers at north korean players. i think similar penalty should be imposed, preferably during the WC qualification matches.
It's terrible to see something like this happened. Whoever did it should definitely be jailed and blacklisted. I feel very sorry for the girl. There are a lot of uneducated people in China. It is actually a pretty unsafe country unlike Japan and S. Korea. Just a month ago two of my friends got into a fight with a bunch of Northeastern Chinese in a restaurant in Guangzhou. They were bashing each others' heads with ceramic tea pots and chairs. In the end they were bleeding heavily and had to go to a hospital for stitches. I'm not even going to mention pickpockets and other crimes common in China... yep China is a pretty scary sh!t country. So next time when you Koreans want to come to China singing and chanting Dae Han Min Gook and pissing off the thug-like diehard Chinese fans, think again. Of course, I'm sure that the majority of us Chinese are very friendly and courteous. It's just those naive and uneducated fans who can't accept the loss are the ones causing the trouble. Most mature Chinese fans know really well that the Chinese NT sucks and there's a long way to go to catch up with Japan and Korea, let alone the so called world powerhouses. Btw, I also want to say that actually many Chinese like Koreans and Korean culture very much. Korean pop artists and Korean food are very popular in China, for example.
I think some of the growing up needs to be done by some Korean fans. I dont' condone this violence at the hands of some Chinese fans, but I don't think it typifies the average Chinese football fan. We can't say that all Chinese fans are violent and of hooligan extract. I think with the evolution of the game in Asia, we sometimes take the negative aspects of football that we see in Europe and South America and mistake it for violence. But I say that KOrean fans should grow up because despite our record against China at the Olympic and national levels, it's only a matter of time until China does record a win against us. Look at Japan. They were always suffering huge defeats to Korea in the 1980s but their football took off in the 1990s and are now rightfully called our rivals. China is on its way and so I think sometimes that Korean football fans are not respectful enough about the progress that has been achieved in China, both at club and national levels. When I read about huge derbies such as Shenua vs International in Shanghai, it makes the K-League look almost second division. So I would give China its dues while noting that the violence shown towards our fans is unacceptable. It goes against what we Koreans find acceptable. Even when we played the United States in the World Cup (a game that was billed to be a tense game due to the Ohno skating fiasco and the general anti-American sentiment at that time), you never read about things being thrown or American fans being beaten up by hooligans. For us, hosting a game means we put our support behind our team but respect opposing fans. I hope that as football evolves and develops in China, Korea and Japan, that we avoid the problems that have blighted Europe and South America: namely organized hooliganism and its ugly manifestations. So Korean fans, yes, we made it to the Olympics. I sometimes get caught up in the nationalist fever, but we became recognized because of our loyal support as well as good sportsmanship. Let's not get caught up in the "we are the best in Asia" syndrome. Better luck to China next time around.
************************ So I had to bin some posts out of here. I know it's a sensitive topic, but racist/nationalist crap, personal attacks and calls for violence will not be tolerated. Thanks. ************************
It's a shame that this happened but you shouldn't generalize Chinese fans. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if this happened to your fans if the Korean team played in Europe or South America. There's resentment against the Koreans because they have this cocky attitude about their national team after the WC. I mean should I diss Korean fans because of Wargamer? No, because that would just be stupid. EVERY country has hooligans and thugs.
Cocky attitude comes with proven success boy. If you can't deal with that that's your problem. Throwing projectiles at visiting fans just proves that China has a long way to go if it wants to be a respected football country. Funniest post of the day. "cocky attitude"...damn right. What it only took you 2 years to realize that Korea finished 4th in the World Cup ? That it's top domestic teams are in elite status in Asia ? Fantastic facilities at the Paju NTC ? U-21 success ? U-17 ? The most World Cup invites in Asia ? The greatest Asian footballer in Cha Beum kun ? Yeah all that's so trivial compared to China's ineptitude and it's obvious envy. Some of you people need to open your eyes and grow up.
With all due respect bigp, if we've exemplified cockiness, then we've suffered with these humiliating results against the Maldives, Oman and Vietnam. But that's where we'll suffer. On the pitch. You can't accuse Korean fans of inciting violence or provoking home fans, especially at away matches. We as fans are allowed to celebrate our success. However, we ought not to celebrate it in denigration of other countries. That's why, despite our rivalry with Japan, we haven't seen out-and-out hooligan wars between our two sets of fans. It's really a healthy rivalry in which the Red Devils and Ultra Nippon try to match each other in terms of our support. But that's where it ends. Forgive us if we seem so proud of our accomplishments. Yeah, I think sometimes we are dwelling too much on this piece of history. But there are times when I read what Chinese football authorities, coaches and players say and think that if this kind of self-confidence can be shown now (when China aren't winning anything or going anywhere in terms of major tournaments save the Asian Cup this summer), what will it be like when China actually starts playing seriously and winning? We've earned some measure of respect and it's taken fifty years to achieve it. We're proud but I'd warn all Korean fans not to get carried away because look at the statistics. Fourth place in a World Cup doesn't guarantee success in the next one. France finished 3rd in 1986 but didn't even qualify for Italia'90. England finished 4th in Italia'90 yet missed USA'94. Bulgaria finished a remarkable fourth in USA'94 (before never winning a game) but couldn't advance to the Round of 16 in France'98. Sweden, the 3rd place in USA'94 didn't qualify for France'98. And Croatia, 3rd place in France'98 couldn't reach the Round of 16 in Korea-Japan 2002. Also, the Netherlands, 4th place in 1998 didn't qualify for 2002. It's all about perspective. But at the same time, I'd warn Chinese fans to start playing down their own hype as well. Having Sun Jihai play for "barely escaped relegation" Manchester City and Lie Tie play for "also barely escaped relegation" Everton may be personal milestones, but football, unlike golf or tennis, is a team sport. I'll admit Korea's complacency but I hope the Chinese admit to their own. We have results to back up this sense of pride, but that's where it will end.
About your comment "koreans' cocky attitude after the WC," where do you base your comments on? is it based on koreans in bigsoccer? I think Korean fans in Bigsoccer were the least confident on their team's chance of qualifying, let alone being "cocky" compared to some Iranian fans. (Where's Bauvafa anyway? I want to hear his 'here we come here we rock' comments. lol) And don't worry, most of Korean fans know most Chinese are good people.
Agreed, I have noticed that this has been a very good, safe, friendly rivalry. I even read a story where after one game, the Korean fans were so impressed by Nanami's play in Korea that they were trying to buy or trade jersey's with a Japanese lady who had a Nanami jersey on! This is the kind of rivalry I like to see in Football. I just hope that all the Asian teams can set good examples for the rest of the world, so that even if we lose to power houses, people will at least say "Their fans were very passionate people, and they are a true example of how fans should act.
... It's a shame stuff like this happens. I expect everyone posting after me to condemn suck acts of stupidity, or else you are just trolling.
This is a shameful act by a small group of chinese fans. I really dont know what they are trying to do with the flag charging into the Korean crowd, they make the rest of us look so dumb. Many of the previous fans said football fans are uneducated, I have to agree that they are, many of the chants at games in Beijing's league games are so disgusting to hear that it makes me want to plug in my ears for future gmes. But you do have to also blame the media for glorifying violence. Euro 2000 made news channel around the world not for the football, but for the clashes. Has anyone seen any footage of celtic fans having a good time without violence in seville on a news channel that does not normally broadcast soccer like cnn? I have a feeling chinese fans wants to make games in china hostile... but they are totally doing it the wrong way as hostilty in matches should be created with noise and moral boosting songs and not acts of physical violence.
I condemn this violence. Chinese fans are uneducated pieces of shi+. I mean look at the guy in the "chicken suit" holding the "fight for the motherland" banner, he's the perfect example. I condemn the guy who pegged the bolt at the girl, how dare he aim for a girl? luckily it "bounced" 3 foot into the air off someone's hand before landing on her. The Chinese fans have much to learn from the "red devils" and the "ultra nippon", we have no proper chants, and just scream "add oil" and obscenities.
u make me laugh did u get up on the other side of the bed today? if u say someting then back it up or if not then just shut up
not right to hate chinese people. I got few chinese friends who don't even give a damn about football and they even admitted that their national squad is not good (Not trying to diss Chinese football fans, it came from few chinese people i know). So i never knew Chinese fans , or atleast the diehard football fans were this crazy. Trust me, We Koreans are not cocky at all, atleast on this board. Hell most of us don't have any confidence on KFA, and the players (Ahn Jung Hwan!! and few more...) Why hate on Korean football? Our 1st WC was in 1954, and it took us over 30 hard years to get back to World Cup level. And it was the 6th world Cup when we finally WON a Game. Give us a break, we been through a lot of s***, we deserved that success Dammit!!! So i think we have that right to be cocky, besides, who's the greatest asian footballer of all-time? Okay then....
one question to ask: would that lady have been hit by that stick if we didn't go around the stadium doing our chants without even insured police protection? lets think about it.
I'm just wondering if they caught this Chinese fan who threw the bolt. I mean where's the proof? I don't understand Korean so can someone fill me in? And I'm also wondering why security tried to stop the Chinese fans when they were waving their flag. I mean it seems like the person who started this thread wanted to cause some sort of hate towards Chinese fans with this thread. I mean the thread title could've been different. And if a little bolt being thrown is the only problem then I think it was a pretty damn safe game. What's with all these Anti Chinese posts? First Wargamer and now this thread.
Did you watch the video clip elliad posted? Is the injured girl not proof enough? The hostile Chinese fans with your Chinese flag running towards not proof enough? The fact is that the Chinese are rechanneling their anger of their own team into wrong directions. Lackadaisical performances from your own team the past few decades does not mean that you can hurt spectators from other countries. And exactly. The man was not caught. Instead, the lady was treated 30 minutes later and that is when the police line was formed dividing the Koreans and the rest of the stadium. Something far worse could have happened and perhaps next time, the Chinese FA will do something about this situation so that it will never happen ever again. And a note to the Korean fans. Next time you travel overseas, please use your head. Think twice before your actions. Obviously the past K-League incidents weren't enough to teach those brave Koreans that travelled to China.
that..was..totally random man. thanks? And don't worry too much about anti-chinese sentiments. Welcome to Bigsoccer. The Asian thread is where the smallest Asian issues tend to lead to big flame/troll wars and you'll soon to learn that the moderators censor the smallest of the smallest things. Then again this is the Asian boards. Everyone hates each other but stick around - it's all good fun. But don't forget to stick with what you think is right or wrong. peace.
Thanks Sure seems like the Asian board is a friendly place =P As long as its in good fun then its coo
No, but when i woke up, this thread had turned into the "bash Chinese fans" thread. Topcow said in no uncertain terms that "if you are not interested in bashing Chinese fans" than it is trolling, hence all my posts were removed. If Chairman Topcow of bigsoccer asian forum tells me to bash Chinese fans and humiliate them, what other choice do i have?
The ones who charged with the flag are not diehard fans, the man dressed in the yellow monkey king custome is not a diehard fan, the man/woman who threw the bolt is not a diehard fan. They are hooligans, or trouble makers, a minority, I dont want to see people labelling chinese football fans as violent, due to my knowledge there arent any hooligan football groups, just stupidity from individuals... so to even start this post was overkill, how would you know there were no korean instigated incident that night. If chinese football fans are indeed violent then you would not be seeing one girl with a bloody head, you would see groups of korean fans running for their lives. So please stop branding us as hooligans. We sucked, you beat our butts to the ground and someone got upset and threw something. One instigator does not deserve all this attention.
I agree with you on most things but Can you distinguish between Cocky and Confidence? BTW this kind of incidnet has happened in Beijing before worldcup also.