China prepared to nuke USA

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Ian McCracken, Jul 14, 2005.

  1. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

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    Take the time to research "Operation Strike Hard" for yourself.
     
  2. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    I don't have time to do homework for you.

    It's your claim, you have to show me.

    You said someone got killed because he stole some gas. It sounds worse than Saddam Hussein to me.

    Come on, give me the link. I want to see this story.
     
  3. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    The Navy isn't. China would end up invading Davy Jones' locker.

    I might be horribly wrong, but here's the math as I see it. China can destroy Taiwan, but can't invade or occupy it. We can destroy China, but can't invade or occupy it. Stalemate.

    If China really wants to nuke us, they'd call in our loans, and make our T-Bills the worthless IOUs that Bush keeps saying they are.
     
  4. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

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    LOL I know. When you think about the situation I drew up, that could turn in WWIII and a real CF for the US and Asia in a hurry. That and the threat of Bird Flu, boy is that scary or what.
     
  5. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

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    Snore...

    All I have to do is stay black and die.

    Only fools take the time to compare demonic behaviour.

    You're a lazy mother********er; it's an Amnesty claim, one among many...look through these...if its not there, look on their site.
     
  6. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
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    Hey, I didn't see gas stealing here....You lied?

    For one thing, ITN would love to see all these criminals get killed.
     
  7. Sine Pari

    Sine Pari Member

    Oct 10, 2000
    NUNYA, BIZ

    Can we please stop the insults ?

    Mel you seem like a family man to me from what I can tell - would you want your kids to know you talk to people like this ????
     
  8. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    Nah, just his worst fuedalian slip perhaps?
     
  9. Blitzz Boy

    Blitzz Boy Member

    Apr 4, 2002
    The West Side
    Like Walmart would ever let its Wholly-Owned-Subsidiaries (The Chinese government and the US government) do anything that would slow up the container ships from Yantian to Long Beach.
     
  10. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

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    Maybe Bono and Bob Geldof would intercede on our behalf and hold a concert called USAid.
     
  11. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

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    The comments would made by a Chinese General. But since I have read the article, his comments came more from a loose cannon perspective then from the Chinese Govt. How you concluded that the Pentagon is the one posturing here is really not true.
     
  12. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

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    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-16-china-nuke_x.htm

    Beijing downplays general's nuke comment
    BEIJING (AP) — China tried to quell an uproar Saturday over a general's comment that Beijing might use nuclear weapons against the United States in a conflict over Taiwan, saying the statement was his personal opinion.
     
  13. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    This was all clearly staged so we can't totally dismiss the comments. Clearly, China will take a more assertive posture in the future. We are going to need to develop a more realistic and coherent China strategy.
     
  14. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
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    If US interests dictate that it directly and indirectly control, or make sure it can influence, political events around the world, then surely China will have to be "dealt with" somehow down the line. Which is why China is indeed on the medium term bull's eye of neocon strategists, who (after dealing with some more immediate issues) intend to focus on "changing China".

    On the other hand, if the US interests are truly found in America being an example of good and decent government, without unnecessary foreign entanglements, trading with the world but not dictating to it any terms, then the US is better off taking up an isolations stance.

    The first posture I outlined is an imperialist one that will cost the US dearly and at the end has uncertain benefits, if any. The second one puts the US back to how it was before WWII, except having now fixed some of its more glaring issues at home.
     
  15. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    And in between these extreme positions lies a better course, one which protects our interests (which are not "neutral") and our allies such as Japan without creating a serious conflict with China.
     
  16. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    We've heard it all before.

    Good evening my fellow citizens:

    This Government, as promised, has maintained the closest surveillance of the Soviet Military buildup on the island of Cuba. Within the past week, unmistakable evidence has established the fact that a series of offensive missile sites is now in preparation on that imprisoned island. The purpose of these bases can be none other than to provide a nuclear strike capability against the Western Hemisphere.

    http://www.jfklibrary.org/j102262.htm
     
  17. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

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    Ab/SW Abduction Sale Women K Kidnapping
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    ArmR Armed Robbery M Murder
    As/BH Assault and Bodily Harm Porn Pornography
    B Blackmail Poi Poisoning
    Bg Bombing P Prostitution/Pimping
    Big Bigamy Pir Piracy
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    CdT Causing Death/Torture Rob/C Robbery of cars
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    I think China is capable of this as well.


    OH!
     
  18. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    So you're saying we should be isolationist so that WWIII happens? Or you're saying we should keep China in our medium term sights so that WWIII doesn't happen?

    I say we start cutting our trade ties to China until they loosen up their internet and let their currency float. Then we just wait.
     
  19. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    Our government has more loose cannons than theirs. We lead the world in every kind of firepower ... loose or otherwise. Just wait until John Bolton gets to make our diplomatic responses.

    COLD WAR II -- let's get it on!
     
  20. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002

    Business Week has an interesting editorial about this this issue. The writer (his name escapes me now) is convinced that China is less likely to float their currency if we continue to bully them. BTW, it's not entirely clear that this is in our best interest.
     
  21. Iranian Monitor

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    Aug 18, 2004
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    World War II was born out of World War I. Basically, an unfair peace that humiliated the Germans, in an "intellectual climate" that promoted racist ideologies even before the rise of the Nazis. If there is any analogy there, it has little to do with the absence of imperialism by the US leading to WWII. It has more to do with certain events right now in the Middle East.

    I believe that the US can neither afford nor will it benefit from overextending itself on the hubris that it can control the world. It cannot and the process will only lead to WWIII being more likely, not less.

    We live in a world where, outside the confines of some backward places and some truly fanatical ideologies, the rest of the world intellectually has arrived at the roughly the same answers. Those answers will differ in their coverings and might, in a politicized environment, appear to be mutually exclusive. They are not. Often, they just represent the speed by which those ideas can integrate themselves in various societies, at different levels of development, and with varying cultural imperatives.

    An isolationist America will do more good than the America that has emerged since Bush took over. Of course, unlike conservative isolationist, the isolationist stance I like to see from the US does not preclude it from being actively involved in helping strengthen international institutions. To help reform, democratize, and stregnthen them to meet the challenges of the international community. But the xenophobic elements in America, as well as those who prefer an imperialistic course for it, are too strong right now for that idea to have a chance. Basically, if America is involved, it will demand to control these international institutions and subvert them into something that will detract from their international legitimacy.

    As such, and by default, between George W. Bush's image and that offered by the neocons, versus the image of libertarian conservatives as well as the Pat Buchanin nativist wing of the Republican party, I prefer the isolationists over the impierialists.
     
  22. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

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    You're a lazy mother********er...
     
  23. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    I'm not sure trade w/ China is in our best interest. Whatever sins we commit by buying oil from the al Saud family we commit many time that amount by buying plastic toys from China. Certainly the current trade relationship isn't in our best interests. I doubt the clarity of the writter of that peice.
     
  24. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    Yes, those poor misunderstood pre-WWII Germans. . . . . . .
     
  25. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    I don't believe death penalty would be given to someone who just stole 10 gallon gas from the station. I want you provide me a specific report to verify this.
     

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