My mistake Karim Boudiaf is not French he's Algerian. If I'm gonna call someone out as a cheating piece of crap whose destroying his heritage, family and the respect of his country to be a mercenary then I need to get my facts straight from which country this piece of crap mercenary originality came from.
I totally agree with you and China did do it with Gao Hongbo with mixed results, he did know all the local players and he introduced many new faces but he was tactically naive. Unfortunately this is the case with too many Chinese managers who haven't been helped by the clubs who brought in foreign managers believing them to be better stifling the chances of young Chinese managers.
I honestly dont know if we are going to make it out of the second round at this rate....even if we do with Perrin no way we are ever going to get past the third round
Lost the game in the first 20 mins, too defensive let Qatar wave after wave of attacks and left Yu Dabao totally isolated. You can argue all you want about the limited talent available, which is true but Alain Perrin certainly handicapped himself by not selecting Gao Lin, Zhang Xizhe and Huang Bowen. Gao Lin I heard was disrespectful to the manager but Zhang Xizhe and Huang Bowen what's his beef with them?
Perrin has been mediocre with managing China so far. His only good performances were in the AFC Asian Cup. Other than that it's been poor performances after poor performances. He needs to leave.
Sigh that's what happens when you leave your best offensive players home. Huang Bowen is in the form of his life right now and he seriously thinks Wu Xi is better? lol anybody with half a brain will choose Zhang Xizhe and Huang Bowen instead. Also I didn't watch the whole game, but does Cai Huikang have to be there with Zheng Zhi in midfield? I mean he doesn't offer much going forward...
CFA announces the 24-man squad for the World Cup qualifiers against Bhutan on 12 Nov and Hong Kong on 17. The intensive training will be from 7 to 17. Player list: Beijing Guo'an: Yu Dabao, Zhang Xizhe Guangzhou Evergrande Taobao: Huang Bowen, Mei Fang, Yu Hanchao, Zeng Cheng, Zhang Linpeng, Zheng Long, Zheng Zhi, Zou Zheng Guangzhou R&F: Jiang Zhipeng Henan Jianye: Bi Jinhao Jiangsu Sainty: Ji Xiang, Ren Hang, Sun Ke, Wu Xi Shandong Luneng: Wang Dalei, Wang Yongpo, Yang Xu Shanghai SIPG: Cai Huikang, Wu Lei, Yan Junling, Yu Hai Rayo Vallecano: Zhang Chengdong Finally Huang Bowen and Zhang Xizhe are in the team!
Great to see Zhang Xizhe and especially Huang Bowen (who's been out of the national team for so long) back. No Gao Lin though...
Hong Kong has bought in newly naturalized Brazilian and Nigerian players vs. China... 9/24 of their team is now of foreign origin. http://sports.sina.com.cn/china/national/2015-11-03/doc-ifxkhcfq1095319.shtml
Well....there goes any chance of qualification. Had a clear goal not given and hit to post 4 times...
At a loss for words. Why does China play so badly during these games? How can we qualify for WC2022? Some objective answers please. I'm not good at analyzing team performance... but just would like some answers. Hopefully China can qualify for WC at least once more in my lifetime. This sort of performance, might never get my wish.
Just had a look at the score, China are effectively out (I told you the Hong Kong ties would be tough). Anyway Perrin couldn't cut it and I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone, bad tactics against Qatar and dropping Zhang Xizhe and Huang Bowen from the earlier games will probably be used against him. No point in really following this team until they bring in a juggernaut of a character like Lippi to turn things around or wait for the first generation of China's 50 point-plan to come through.
Honestly I've never been a proponent for big coaching changes at the NT level because I've always thought that the problem had lay with player mentality rather than coaching. This was until Evergande + Lippi showed us all that Chinese players can win something (albeit with a lot of talented foreign players). This time around I definitely think the talent is there. I always think there is an element of mentality being poor - you see SK, Japan, and Aussies playing their hearts out til the end with the never give up attitude. These teams rarely collapse completely against Asian teams. What makes us different? Our players and coaches seem to have this inferiority complex the second they take the big stage and start going into a shell. When the first 20 minutes don't go well and we don't score against supposedly weak opponents, we start panicking and losing sight of the long game. This has happened so many times in friendlies and competitive games, where we go all out against teams that simply sit back and probe us for the first half, then we collapse in the second. I'm under no illusions that the current Chinese team even deserves to make it into the World Cup, but to drop points to Hong Kong and Qatar just points to the same old inconsistency that has plagued this team for decades. Inconsistency only arises from bad mentality, because technically we're quite good - and most foreign coaches remark about this when they come. Inconsistency is driven by tactical ineptitude, which hopefully we will be fixing with better grassroots programs and better coaching in general. But to me there's always that something else... this weakness of mentality that needs a good leader to fix. Lippi could do it. It seems like Scolari can at least do it with his current group. It really is time to get a big time coach with a proven record with national teams under pressure. Question is who wants to stick their neck out for this career killing job? Honestly though, we really are the England of Asia.
Bring in a 'big' manager isn't always the answer. You maybe able to bring them in the club level simply forking out insane amount of money(thanks to alibaba). But to the national team?. Hasn't worked now, so if it was up to me, you have to perrin at least manage out the final two games. There are still chance of China making it to the final round if they do win their final two games(home game against Qatar, should be all out war). If China do not make it, then fire Perrin. But only this time start with a domestic coach who coached from the youth national team. Figure out what works for team China and set a long term plan to qualify for 2022 World Cup. It's not going to be easy considering already packed Asia side is only given 4, 5 max tickets.
Oh no, firing Perrin now would be disastrous. I definitely won't support that. All I'm saying is that we need a manager who can manage the weak mentality of the NT. There are lots of problems with the Chinese system, but I think the team as is has the ability to go beyond where we are now, and the mental ineptitude is holding us back greatly. We can look at the performance as the Asian Cup, and contrast that to what we saw against Qatar and both games against HK. Why the inconsistency? With regards to coaching, I think having a domestic coach is great in that they can motivate better with the native tongue, and perhaps forge closer relationships with players with a better understanding of Chinese culture. However, truth be told, we don't have tactically astute managers who are proven winners. Respect is a big thing at the NT level, and unfortunately players with egos just don't respect managers that they view as below them.
So technically there is still a possibility of advancing. This is all assuming that we beat both Qatar (unlikely) and Maldives To qualify we would have to be within the top 4 of the second placed teams. If China wins their last two games it they would have 11 points. So assuming that we win both games: Group A: UAE is currently at 7 points. Their last two games are against Palestine and Saudi Arabia. Last time they drew against Palestine and lost to Saudi Arabia. We only need them to lose once since their GD is too great to catch up. This will most likely be against Saudi Arabia on the last matchday. However they are at home. This group is most likely the one that would decide whether or not we qualify Group B: After Jordan's loss to Kyrgyzstan today, we have a good chance of placing above them. Jordan is currently on 7 points. They will for sure beat Bangladesh, but their last game is against Australia away. I do not see Australia losing this game. Even if there is a tie, China will have a superior GD Group D: After today's loss against Turkmenistan, Oman are in a similar situation to us. They have to beat Iran to have any chance of qualifying. However, we have a better GD so far. I don't see Oman beating Iran either Group E: No chance unless Syria lose to both bottom-placed Cambodia and Japan. Their GD is too high to catch up. Group F: Very Little chance of beating Iraq. Only chance is if they lose to either Thailand or Vietnam, both of which I do not see happening. If per chance they do, then we will have to do well to beat them on GD. If Iraq wins both, then we wont be able to catch up with Thailand. Group G: Kuwait and Lebanon are both on 7 points, and both have yet to face Korea Republic a second time. Thus since they are both very likely to lose to SK, there is a high chance that we can get above Group G. Kuwait's participation is also in jeopardy Group H: Very little chance unless Philippines beats or draws North Korea. If it is a draw then China will win on GD. So realistically, the groups that we are most likely to be placed above are: Group A (least likely) Group B Group D Group G Again, this is assuming we beat Qatar and Maldives. But at least theres still hope.
Perrin has been sacked! http://sports.sina.com.cn/china/national/2016-01-08/doc-ifxnkvtn9623154.shtml