Chilenos en México (R)

Re: CHUPETE Suazo, OR Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

Los chilenos en general desarrollamos nuestro temple después de la adolescencia (Somos en general, muy inmaduros). No es raro que los jugadores buenos aquí surgan tras los 21 años de edad. Te apostaría que muchos de aquellos sub-20 o sub-17 de hoy, que no obtienen grandes resultados en sus respectivas categorías, cuando sean mayores serán figuras indiscutidas no solo en Chile, sino que en otros lugares también.

 

Re: CHUPETE Suazo, OR Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

MUY BUEN COMENTARIO, QUE AFIRMA LO QUE decimos en el foro colombiano, en la discusion de los jugadores de mas de 30 que estan en seleccion.

resulta que los foristas nacidos en usa/europa, de padres colombianos y aficionados, o que llegaron antes delos 11 o 9 an`os, no se dan cuenta de lo que tu dijiste tan elocuentemente, aplica para la mayoria de las naciones conMebol........ el resto de mi teoria, es que son tan inmaduros que la seleccion les queda grande hastalos 29 o 30.... pues de los 18 a 22 se la pasan buscando salir del pais, y aprovechando las selecciones juveniles, de los 21 a los 26 si estan cobrando en euros, se sienten realizados y dejan a un lado la seleccion, para sentir solo el color del club que paga..... hasta que la experiencia fuera del pais les abre los ojos a LA IMPORTANCIA DE la seleccion nacional.

 

Re: Chilenos en México (Suazo, Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

Si les molesta tanto que no esté para los festejos, que nos lo devuelvan a Colo-Colo, que harto lo necesitamos

 

Re: Chilenos en México (Suazo, Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

I doubt there are many players out there with a better highlight reel than Suazo....he only scores golazos, it's almost absurd.

He hasn't had the 'recorrido' of the other two, but i'm starting to think that Suazo = Salas = Zamorano....he's not far from it, at least.


Is there a better forward outside of europe?

 

Re: Chilenos en México (Suazo, Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

I thought the same of cabanas, to me cabanas and suazo were the best strikers, playing in Latin America. there so damn similar n amazing. only golazos also

one can not say cabanas is better, and not can not say suazo is better? anybody dare? to me they were tie

 

Re: Chilenos en México (Suazo, Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

they're both phenomenal, and comparable in many ways like you said. Its too bad that Cabanas will probably never play competitively again.

I'd personally take Suazo because he seems more able to create his own opportunities, is faster, and can play on the flanks.

but both are phenomenal.

 

Re: Chilenos en México (Suazo, Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

I'll say Suazo is better for numeral reasons , One being he creates more scoring opportunities and I think makes a bigger impact on his team.

 

Re: Chilenos en México (Suazo, Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

its an interesting question though. I still think that if you had all three on their best day, Salas would leave the other two behind by miles (one of the most complete forwards i've ever seen). but his peak was short, and his career fell apart early. Zamorano had more longevity but to me was less impactful on his teams.


What would it take for Suazo to be the best, or at least tied with these two?
is it really only possible if he goes and triumphs in europe? what if he breaks the record for national team goals and wins a libertadores or something? what would it take?

 

Re: Chilenos en México (Suazo, Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

Zamorano, less impact in his teams ?
Sorry, but, are you crazy ?

Ask the people from Cobreandino, Cobresal and Colo-Colo in Chile, Real Madrid and Sevilla (Spain), Inter (Italy), Saint Gallen (Switzerland) and America (Mexico), in other words all the teams he played for in his longlife career, what they think about the sentence you just wrote about him.

The man was a God in all his teams, and whenever somebody came in and put a question mark on his quality, he shut the guys mouth with goals (Valdano in Real madrid, comes to my mind), my friend. He is beloved in all the teams he played as one of the best players they had in their respective team histories.

Imho, no one is even close to what Zamorano achieved, in a time that the European market, wasn`t open for Chilean players. He paved the way for all of the rest, Salas included among them, who after Zamorano`s success had it much more easy for him. Zamorano had to struggle great part of his career against the regular belief that Chilean players only suceeded within Chile, and once they played outside they would fail.

Now only refering to performance in the National Team, Salas has been the best of all times. He is top scorer in it, and he deserves that position, above every body else. Zamorano in the National team, had a bigger impact as a leader in the team, than a scorer, although he is second in the top scorers list, but as I said before, Salas outclassed him in the team, as his goals were probably much more important than those scored by Zamorano.

I love Suazo as a player, but to compare him with the before mentioned pair, it is way on top of his league, but he is close to them both, no doubt about it.

Btw, you put first Zamorano over Salas, and you considered Za as 9 and Sal as 11 in your nick,

 

Re: Chilenos en México (Suazo, Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

I guess I didn't explain myself properly. I agree with you in terms of how beloved Zamorano continues to be, and I put him first in my name because he is still my favorite Chilean forward. I always preferred him 10x over Salas.

I guess the word 'impactful' was misused, because its true that BamBam was a leader and workhorse. He also was a great goal scorer.

I just think that at their peak Salas was better, more complete. Almost as good in the air as bam bam, a more creative player and better finisher...career wise, personality wise, and effort wise (his guerrero mentality is what i think endeared him so much to inter fans especially) Zamorano was better.


the quetino was about suazo. I've seen him do things that neither Salas or Zamorano (especially) could ever do. What would he need to do to be among them?

in Suazo you have a goleador in Chile, in Mexico, in the world, in eliminatorias etc.......how do you measure that up against a pichichi and an uefa? would it take a libertadores? a copa america?? what?

 

Re: Chilenos en México (Suazo, Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

In my very humble opinion, Suazo lacks the ability that both Salas and specially Zamorano had to "carry their whole team on their shoulders".

I`m also a Zamorano fan myself, more than Salas, whom at first I hated due to his bonds with that lousy team that represents that "blue kindergarden school, with the chicken with the inverted "n" on its chest" logo D), but as his achievements in our national team and elsewhere from Chilean teams, I learned to enjoy watching him play.

Zamorano, sometimes played bad himself, but having him in the team, his presence made the team play great. In France 1998, he was the leader of the team, although he didn`t score any goals (fortunately, Salas was there to make them), the same happened in the qualification process for that year, and in almost every National team he participated in. The bronze medal in the Sidney Olimpics, was principally due to having him in the team.

Salas never asumed this position while Zamorano was there, but once Zamorano retired, he took this issue as a personal quest, in which he finally also succeeded in doing so. Since Salas retirement, we still don`t have a natural leader in the team, being probably Valdivia who has mostly resembled them.

Suazo, whom I will always admire, has this homework on his shoulders. He has made lots of goals, but his presence in the National team, hasn`t been so outstanding in regards to what he can accomplish for the team, as what this wonderful couple of former leaders and scorers we had the joy of having in our team.

 

Re: Chilenos en México (Suazo, Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

Chamagol is currently on trial with Atlante but the possibilities of him stayin are slim!

 

Re: Chilenos en México (Suazo, Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

Ricardo Rojas joins Veracruz & Reinaldo Navia leaves Irapuato
http://www.mediotiempo.com/futbol/m...2/21/ricardo-rojas-ya-reporto-con-el-veracruz

 

Re: Chilenos en México (Suazo, Mancilla, I.Fuentes, O.González, Droguett, etc.) (R)

Chamagol did not end up staying
http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story?id=1195907&s=mex&type=story