CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R) (Amistoso)

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

siempre habran diferencias, pero el punto es el mismo.


si Borghi llega a lograr algo siempre se dira que fue por el trabajo de Bielsa. Pero cuando un defensa peina la pelota hacia atras, o si los delanteros no la meten, ahi si que empiezan con que el parrillero no sabe parar a la defensa.....

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

In regards to this game the entire left defensive area was exposed just once when Nani took out Jara and whoops I forgot the other guys name that were double marking him. As for the goal against the fault is on Bravo for not coming out after the deflection someone needs to take the blame, right? Or Contreras, or Medal or who made the corner in the first place or the how the ball....ok I will stop there 1-0 Portugal. Chile as a team made good progress going on the offensive and should have scored a couple of times but Matias made the finish look good. Chile did well but needs to improve defensively against Colombia if Borghi does not change his game plan still using a 3-5-2 system we should win with Mancilla and Sanchez (Munoz) up front.

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

No le pongai tampoco.

Contreras desde que juega football, nos tiene acostumbrados a todos con esa jugadita. Defiende el descueve, pero siempre de cuando en cuando tiene esa pifia de peinarla hacia atrás descolocando a todos sus compañeros, por que casi siempre le sale para el centro del area chica y no para afuera como debería ser. Lo hacía con el Pelao, lo hizo con Olmos, lo hizo con Bielsa y ahora le toca hacerlo con Borghi (es su pequeña yayita,). No es culpa de Borghi, que el saco de wevas (Contreras), sufra de "lapsus de impresición" a ratos.

Ya dije que es prematuro juzgar a Borghi por un solo partido, y también igual estaría mal estar todo el tiempo comparando a los dos entrenadores. No es culpa de Borghi, que Bielsa ya no esté. Y de las alternativas que habían para reemplazar a Bielsa (el cual es irreemplazble), Borghi era sin lugar a dudas una de las mejores (al menos eso siempre pensé yo, el otro único posible era Pekerman).

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Ah bueno, por que presentarnos a la Copa America entoces?...marginemonos de las clasificatorias tambien pu

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

la verdad que no creo que le pongo demasiado....

si al final se empato de visita con un buen equipo europeo, por una pifia defensiva, y muchos empesaron a ecir que se jugo a nada, que se aratoneo atras, y que la defensa estaba mal parada

yo enconctre que la defensa jugo bien, y las impreciciones estaban en el medio campo, lo cual es entendible por el esquema nuevo, y lo cual esta bien porque los jugadores que tenemos ahi son cracks que mejoraran.....

veo muy critico al hincha con el equipo y con Borghi

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Algo que no se ha mencionado es el enojo y la frustración que mostraron los jugadores (chilenos) al haber terminado este partido. Buena señal y demuestra que no son conformistas porque no quedaron a gusto con el resultado.

En años anteriores, jugando bien o mal se habría celebrado como la obtención de un Mundial un empate así.

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Y, ¿ qué tiene que ver lo que yo posteé, con tu afirmación ?,

Cuando uno opta por tener a Bielsa como entrenador, tú optas por un estilo de trabajo único que nadie puede igualar. Por esta razón le dicen "El loco". pretender que llegue otra persona y haga lo mismo es una falsa ilusión por que el único capaz de reemplazar a Bielsa, es el mismo Bielsa. En nuestro caso, él ya no está y quien lo iba a reemplazar en el cargo, jamás iba a darle continuidad a lo que él hizo. Podría asemejarse pero nunca igualar, pues "Loco" hay uno solo.

Esto no significa de modo alguno, que quien quiera que llegase, no pudiese hacer un trabajo igualmente exitoso, solo que con una nueva forma de trabajar. En mí opinión personal siempre pensé que los únicos capaces de emular en parte lo que hizo Bielsa, eran Pekerman o Borghi, quienes tienen un conocimiento profundo de nuestro medio por haber trabajado aquí en el pasado, aunque con el tiempo ambos impondrían su propio estilo, pues ninguno de ellos tres es igual al otro.

Afortunadamente, tenemos a Borghi, y como he dicho muchas veces, aún es prematuro calificarlo futbolísticamente y menos aún tras un solo partido.
Estoy seguro que con él, igual nos va a ir bien en lo que viene y lo único que le pediría (aunque en el fondo sé que así será), es que no trate de copiar a Bielsa y que imponga su propio sello, pues de otra forma fracasaría y con él nuestro equipo.

Se empató con un equipo limitado vs. otro equipo limitado, ambos afectados por las ausencias, pero tienes razón, se empató y no se perdió, lo que es propio de los equipos buenos. Futbolísticamente hablando, es bueno aún presentando un equipo mediocre ser capaz de sacar adelante un resultado, y en este sentido el partido con Portugal, a la larga suma al proceso y nos permite ver con optimismo lo que viene.

También tienes razón en lo referente a lo defensivo. No se puede calificar de malo el desempeño global, solo por esa pifia de Contreras, aunque no es menos cierto que por una sola pifia, se puede perder un partido. Mientras sean amistosos, que Contreras se mande todas las pifias que quiera, pero cuando sea en serio, que se preocupe un poquito más de no hacerlas,

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Muy buena observación.
En este caso, es positivo ser más ambicioso y una buena señal para lo que viene.

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

De acuerdo.

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

friends, i dont think its accurate to compare the debuts of borghi and bielsa.. switzerland an portugal etc. the truth is bielsa had no team, when he started, we all know whats the situation now(or what it was till the end of last year) and zasal, No, my friend, its never good to start from 0, when we talk about football.

i live in europe and..portugal is very far from the best teams in our continent and actually has never been between them. they always have good players, but 2-3-4, not a whole squad, and thatswhy they are not between the strongest teams! theyve played a final in the EC in 2004, but they were the host nation. im 25 years old and have never seen a world class striker in the NT of this country, and theyre suffering too much because of that. theyve tried with pauleta, nuno gomes, almeida etc, but none of them is a world class.

its more important to comment our own team. the game was important to see, how our team will play. and it has played bad. lets be honest, our team for a first time in the last 3 years had no idea what to do on the field, how to attack. i had the feeling chile has no coach. in the first ht 85% of the attack were from the right side(isla-sanchez).. i dont remeber to have seen a poorer performance from medel, jara and maybe vidal. i think chile would have played the same way without a coach. what has borghi said to them? how to attack? how to stop nani?

why has borghi not made any changes at the ht? a good coach must react faster. if you have seen 45 minutes how jara is watching the back of nani, its more than logical to do sth. are there no strikers in chile, that we have to use beausejour as a 9? and taking into account how bad his performances in birmingham are, is he the person to be part of this experiment? why has borghi not subbed matias? i had the feeling he was again in the vip lounge of the stadium watching the game. matias has played exactly so awful against colombia last november and bielsa has subbed him in the 28th minute. i know that the in-game changes are not the strength of bichi, but its time to learn finally to react faster, because if that was not a friendly and a game without any importance for any of the teams, portugal would have no difficulties to win it..even big!

how you can see, i wanted to see the second game in the new era and then make my comments! unfortunatelly ive not seen any positive change today time is tickin away. copa america begins in 3 months! and i dont like the recent comments of bichi that for him the wcqs are more important than the copa!!! chile has maybe the strongest team in his football history and everything but a place in top 4 would be a disaster!!!

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Portugal also played in the 2006 semis (World Cup, no less).

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Croatia, Turkey, South Corea, Sweden and Bulgaria have played in the semis in the previous WCs too

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Portugal is a good team. Whether they were missing Pepe and CR doesn't change that fact.

Now, the Borghi-haters will argue otherwise but I am reasonably pleased with the start Chile's has had.

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Ive not said Portugal is not a good team! But Chile is a good team too. Actually both teams are maybe almost on the same level now!

Im not a Birghi-hater! Im a Colo Colo fan and I know what amazing work he has done there. I like him and have always been a fan of his work! I was more than sad, when he left CC.., but when sth is black I cant say its white.

How would you answer the many questions in my previuos post and with what exactly are you pleased in these 2 games?

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

If I do answer them all, I will do so through my own analysis (probably tomorrow).

I am pleased with the results: "good" teams (relative term) are able to get results even when not playing as well. We didn't play that well in either one of these games but we got more than acceptable results, at least in my opinion.

Furthermore, we were missing players. Borghi also experimented with a few things: Medel/Vidal together don't work as the 2 DMs; we cannot play without a distinct 9.

All in all, we're still weak defensively: that happened during Bielsa's administration, in case most people don't remember. We just weren't as exposed then because we tried to play in 4th/5th gear the whole time and oftentimes we had the other team on the backfoot (with Bielsa). And both poor finishing/lack of a killer instinct plus a weak defense cost us games with him, as well: same that could've happened this week.

Still, this probably won't be enough for the people that still jock Bielsa's ghost. As painful as it is, he has left.

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

there were no situations in both games to see if the finishing is good or poor, is there lack of a killer instinct or not and for me the same couldnt have happened this week.

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Exactly why I said "could've happened this week". Re-read my post: I don't say it did happen, just saying it could have and that would in other words point to the fact that perhaps we're gonna be facing the same problems we faced before.

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Well maybe here is a clue to take in account. Despite Borghi deciding to let the players play in the positions where they most like in both of these games, as said in the case of Medel, he almost disappeared in both games, an issue that before seemed almost impossible, where he used to be the natural leader in our defense, the same way he is doing nowdays in Sevilla and whence he also failed when he was in Borghi`s Boca. To take that in mind for next games to come. Medel has to be more involved in the defensive labour, and if he doesn`t want to accept it, replace him, as he is not needed in the midfield, where there are other players equally or even better than him, a coach must not accept players making them the team, or else he only proves that he has no leadership. And also take in mind that Valdivia wasn`t around this time, as his personality is not the kind willing to accept no shit from anyone (if you don`t believe me, ask Scolari in Palmeiras,)

All in all, in these games I didn`t see the defense fail so miserably as said, only that they gave away lots of balls, but somehow they always managed to be where they were needed, and each time one of the opponents attackers had the ball, there was always someone there to disturb him, not allowing him to play in absolute comfort. An issue that Medel had us acccostumed that he mastered in not doing (loosing the ball), when he played in the back, which also gave the team more confidence at the hour they decided to attack.

The only ones who are still doing so, "jocking Bielsa`s ghost" around here, is yourself and those who usually mock on the ones who openly, miss him the most, my friend.

Deep inside, most of you guys don`t want to admit it, but, maybe you miss him much more than what you are willing to accept.

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Estás equivocado.

Yo sólo lo menciono cuando empiezan las comparaciones.

De hecho, en estos 2 partidos sólo lo he mencionado las 2 veces que alguien más lo incorporó en su argumento, "my friend".

Tal como dijo el Pancho Sagredo, "Bielsa ya se fue". Así como en algun momento lo hizo Riera, Jozic, etc., "viejito".

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

La mejor manera de dilapidar el argumento de otra persona y simplementa tildando a tal persona de "exagerado/a".

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Yes, Portugal did, but not wanting to sound arrogant, which of the two teams had to face us (Chile) in their way in the WC ?, besides of whom of both teams actually was the only team in the WC that beated those that came out of there as the new WC champions ?

Portugal had a way much easier pathway to the second round than the likes of Switzerland, and their only hard match, besides Spain (whom defeated them in the next round), was with Ivory Coast, with whom they only tied in a no goal match. Portugal was only able to score against the weakest team of the WC, North Korea. Yes they tied with Brazil too, but by then Brazil was already classified and played that game without risking much, and as Portugal didn`t either, they finally ended tied with no goals (if both of them would have been asked to sign for the draw before the match was played, both would have signed it right away).

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

dude, both groups contained one phenomenal team, two good teams, and one weak team.


its ridiculous to suggest that portugal had an easier path than switzerland, who would have made it had they beat honduras....

besides, how is this relevant?

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Partially true.
Ridiculous is to put Portugal in the same level of Ivory Coast, and even more yet, even absurd, is to level up Honduras with North Korea, as if both teams share any similarities at all :

Although we can agree that FIFA rankings not usually really reflect the real power of any team in a given moment, they are a reflection of their past performance, which is an objective way of measuring a teams potential (not necesarily, who is better, which is a diferent issue)

One on one, our group was way much harder and with a much more uncertain outcome than the one that had Brazil and Portugal, in.

Spain (ranked 2 at the moment the WC begun in 2010) ended being World champion which puts them on top of Brazil (ranked 1 at the moment).
Honduras (38) was a much more fit opponent than the likes of North Korea(105), whom we could qualify as the weaker teams of each group. As another proof, remember that Spain only scored twice on them, the same as they did to us, and only after a big struggle we were able to beat them with one goal.
The similarities within Switzerland (24) and Chile (18) was very patent and anyone could have won (this time it was our turn). While the diference between Portugal (3), compared to an Ivory Coast (27) is huge anyway you look at it. (it's like comparing right now, Germany(actual 3) with Mexico(27) or even (25) Montenegro).
Therefore Switzerland had two harder opponents and one weaker one on their way, while Portugal had one harder opponent and two weaker ones in their path, with one of them being the weakest of all the participating nations. Besides in the last match day, Portugal faced a classified Brazil, while on the other hand Switzerland faced a team that still had a small but mathematical chance of making it to the next round.

http://www.futbolmundial2010.org/noticias/sudafrica-2010/ranking-fifa-a-la-espera-del-mundial/

Switzerland definitively had a harder pathway than the likes of Portugal, which in fact, on the paper Portugal should have won easy over Ivory Coast, but they failed doing so.

Relevance : actually very little,
Only helps for the establishment that the team whom our former coach had to face in his debut as NT coach back then, with a team that had to be prepared from scratch or zeroe, was a much more tough opponent than the one our actual NT coach had to face now, with a team already fully functional, which needs very few adjustments to work propperly.

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

1. it seems like you're getting into semantics unnecessarily. the first part of your argument seems to suggest that the reason Portugal had an easier time than Switzerland is because they're a better team......

in the end in both groups you had a weak opponent, a good opponent, and very good opponent. getting into how honduras did well against spain is useless, especially when it can be said that n korea did just as well against brazil...

Ivory Coast was probably the best or second best ranked African team...chile was the second best ranked south american team.....

equal rivals

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anyways, in terms of relevance, its absolutely impossible to stipulate whether Switzerland in 07 is or was better than portugal 11.......

keep in mind that they absolutely destroyed spain just a little while ago...

 

Re: CHILE vs Portugal, 26 marzo en Leiria (R)

Yes I'm aware of that, but I guess that you are also aware that the Portugal we just confronted has no resemblence to that Portugal who defeated Spain, or, do you believe that all players are equally the same ?

Are you suggesting that CONMEBOL and CAF are the same ?,

Come on, I thought I was speaking with someone with a regular knowledge of football. Maybe I should try to explain it to you from the begining :

"Once upon a time there was this little bee who........"

D, sorry but with those arguments, it becomes really funny)