NSR: CHICAGO Political Thread ***HIGHLY TOXIC - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK***

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  1. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
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    Come to think of it across the ages some very extravagant lifestyles have been led in India.
     
  2. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

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    But in all seriousness how the ******** do you look the at the drunk dude filtering sewage for $4 a day and think "yeah totally fair I get to sit around on my ass watching TV all night"? I need to stop clicking this shit.
     
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  3. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    You are the only person who is bringing up this argument and you are attempting to apply it to other people’s reasonings. This is called “framing the argument”. Make an argument against a position no one is taking and claim victory because no one can or bothers to defend what you’re arguing against.

    Whether or not you’re willing to admit it, Israelis and Jewish people in general have every reason to feel an existential threat to their existence since they’ve already experience it with the holocaust. It is embedded in their cultural DNA. The fact that they’re unwilling to wait for it to happen again shouldn’t be a surprise. It should stand out as a failure of our collective societies.
     
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  4. Mac97

    Mac97 Member+

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    Yeah, the thing about collective DNA, and individual, is that trauma has been shown to modify DNA. This means that the Israelis, in general, (like many peoples around the world) are collectively operating from a damaged mind set that has set them up to do terrible things to others because of what has happened to them across many generations. Which, at this point, leaves the Palestinians with multigenerational collective trauma, that leaves too many predisposed to jacked up mental processes and actions.

    We can look across the globe, including in the U.S., and see this play out in all sorts of twisted ways.

    There's no "winning" with these populations this scared. Best case scenario is a long, jagged journey towards and through healing, and man, it's tough to see that getting traction these days.
     
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  5. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    i am framing the argument how? about israel's right to exist? no, i am not -- please review and see who brought that up

    my argument throughout has been that the collateral damage of the pursuit of Hamas has nowhere near justified those attacks and Israel has shown zero interest in avoiding the death of civilians -- thus, it is a moral imperative that we do not fund israel until they can change their behavior

    you are the one that continues to bring up Iran and proxy wars and Israel's right to exist and other reasons that it is complicated
     
  6. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    You’re attempting to redefine the argument:

    “the idea that Israel would cease to exist but for the bombing of Gaza and Beirut is ludicrous”

    No one is claiming Israel would cease to exist but for the bombing of Gaza and Beruit.

    Netanyahu is taking advantage of their situation for sure which is why I say he should be put in front of a firing squad, wait, I mean, The Hague but saying Israel has shown zero interest in avoiding the deaths of civilians is hyperbolic. If they had zero interest, the civilians death totals would be astronomical. Of course, if Hamas didn’t use civilian infrastructure as military establishments the civilian death totals would be greatly reduced.
     
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  7. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    "Netanyahu should be put in front of a firing squad"

    "We should continue to send weapons to Israel despite the fact that the Netenyahu government is in charge"

    you are comfortable with the coexistence of these statements

    I am not

    and I think sending weapons to an acknowledged war criminal is evil
     
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  8. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Sorry. I was being silly to lighten up the conversation. I’ll just repeat that I feel like Netanyahu is taking advantage of the situation but both sides do the same. It’s awful and unfortunate.
     
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  9. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    This is pure insanity.



    [​IMG]

    It would seem that the "Democrat-led regime" has done a good job, if there were two
    "attempts" that were not even remotely successful.

    The incredible part is the world "incarcerated," since the current Republican candidate has been CONVICTED of 34 felonies and is awaiting sentencing. Sentencing should have happened over the summer and then in September, but has been delayed until November.
     
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  10. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
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    Mar 1, 2019
     
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  11. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    “The October 7 atrocities should spur a global call to action for an end to all abuses against civilians in Israel and Palestine.”

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/17/october-7-crimes-against-humanity-war-crimes-hamas-led-groups

    The 236-page report, “‘I Can’t Erase All the Blood from My Mind’: Palestinian Armed Groups’ October 7 Assault on Israel,” documents several dozen cases of serious violations of international humanitarian law by Palestinian armed groups at nearly all the civilian attack sites on October 7.

    War sucks.
     
  12. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
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    Mar 1, 2019
     
  13. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
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    Mar 1, 2019
  14. Mac97

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  15. bunge

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    Oct 24, 2000
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  16. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    “We need to accelerate the demise of this regime. This is a regime that will fall.

    “If Iran acquires a nuclear weapon, the likelihood that they'll use it in order to save the regime is high. And that means that they’re going to turn the whole Middle East into a nuclear nightmare.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2lr0jd37xo
     
  17. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
  18. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    The fact that humanitarian aid is being disrupted by Hamas is almost certainly true (happens in all armed conflicts, unfortunately), but I would not trust the New York Post as a source.
    Especially as it comes to aid going to the intended victims.

    They have run as series of headlines, articles and videos of "Hurricane Aid" being "Stolen" or "Given to 'Illegal Aliens'" all of which is total bullshit.

    I am not posting links as I won't give those bastards the clicks, but here are three headlines from just this week:

    Feds say there’s no money left to respond to hurricanes — after FEMA spent $1.4B on migrants
    (total lie)

    FEMA hurricane aid stopped by ‘Road Closed’ sign? That’s Kamala Harris in a nutshell
    (Harris, as VP, has nothing to do FEMA or aid to hurricane victims)

    Hurricane Helene victims in NC are fending for themselves as response from Biden-Harris’ FEMA underwhelms
    (this simply is not true, other that every disaster relief is inevitably going to leave some people fending for themselves and will "underwhelm," Not mention, of course, that several Republican Congress assholes in NC and Florida voted against expanding FEMA funding and are now demanding that same money be spent in their districts.)
     
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  19. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Oh, the NY Post is a total whack job. I saw the video and the article was mentioned in the description so I included it as a courtesy.
     
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  20. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    :thumbsup:

    I watched the video twice and I wonder if actually depicts what the article claims or if relief trucks basically have to have armed "escorts" these days.

    Either way, it is another extremely damning indictment of the world today.
     
  21. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    better than bombing the aid workers like Israel
     
  22. harrylee773

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    And schools, and homes, and basically any and everything they can. If there’s one thing the USA has helped Israel become very, very, good at, it is killing innocent people with bombs.
     
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  23. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    The depleted uranium shells really help them double down on that.
     
  24. bunge

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    Oct 24, 2000
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