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  1. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    No, they won't.
    If that were true, people would have been doing that on a large scale forever. Very few people "grow their own."
    It did not happen with alcohol.
    It did not happen when pot was illegal.
    It will not happen now.

    In almost no area of commerce does it occur.
     
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  2. xtomx

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    I am not in favor of less government.

    I want government to serve the people better and be more efficient, but not smaller.

    Except the military. It is huge and bloated and could be trimmed by 2/3 with making us "unsafe" (and we would still have the largest military budget in the world).

    It is a "jobs" program, though.
     
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  3. sportscrazed2

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    Jul 30, 2008
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    It did and is. Where did all the weed in IL come from prior to January? Probably from other legal states where people already growing it could profit more by moving it to places it wasn't legal tax free. To think those supply channels automatically shut off when it's legal is wishful thinking. So taxing it to the point it's cost prohibitive and not enforcing possession charges anymore makes it really hard to justify not buying it off someone on the street especially when it's pretty good (@allegedly)
     
  4. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
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    How do you make something bloated and inefficient efficient without shrinking it in the process? Actually elect people with the ability to empathize with opposing viewpoints and make compromises? Have certain issues voted on directly by the public?
     
  5. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000

    He asked: “What exactly is all that extra money buying?“

    And I answered.
     
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  6. SixKick

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    Nov 13, 2000
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    By reallocating resources from the military and police towards agencies and social programs better equipped to handle various social ills.

    Other than the military and police, what parts of government are you saying are bloated and inefficient?
     
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  7. sportscrazed2

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    Jul 30, 2008
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    Oh I don't know just that the government seems to be incapable of getting anything done whatsoever anymore because politics is like a game of tug of war nobody is winning. How can anything get done if you're not allowed to even consider opposing viewpoints and still be a part of the party? If nothing is getting done anyway I'd rather just have a skeleton government that provides essentials like protection, healthcare, and road maintenance leaving me the ******** alone to make personal choices like marriage, abortion,and which drugs are ok to take. I just want to feel like my money isn't disappearing into a black whole.
     
  8. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    The Skyway deal and the parking meter deal, to name two....

    We know the issues are that republicans want to increase military spending while decreasing taxes for the rich so they cut programs that show the middle and lower classes that government can be a utility.
     
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  9. SixKick

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    But those are problems of privatization, not government.
     
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  10. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    That is not true.
     
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  11. xtomx

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    Without government there would be no roads, no schools, no mail service, no fire protection, no police, no DMV, no safe food, no safe products, etc.
     
  12. sportscrazed2

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    Disagree to disagree
     
  13. xtomx

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    Yes, examples of awful "smaller government" attempts.
     
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  14. xtomx

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    Almost nobody grows their own weed. Oh, and if they do, I have no problem with that.

    You mentioned the illegal interstate traffic of weed. That is an entirely different issue.
     
  15. sportscrazed2

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    Not sure I agree. People want to feel safe so privatized police by community might pop up same with firefighters. People don't want their kids to be dumb (though I'm not sure about that) and we all want mail service but stuff like ups exists. And safe products? I'm pretty sure if a product was harmful and people started to realize that fact the product would die off rapidly. I'm not disputing that the government is responsible for certain stuff. I'm just saying maybe boil it down to "essential" government
     
  16. sportscrazed2

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    Oh I didn't claim to say individuals are growing it. I meant that why as a consumer of a product would I go to a dispensary to buy said product when I can get said product illegally with almost no risk of ever being prosecuted for it because possession has been made legal and they'd have to arrest you in the act of buying it
     
  17. xtomx

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    Oh, my God, that would be a bad idea.
    You, sir, are a Libertarian! [emoji9]
     
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  18. xtomx

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    Sorry, I thought that was what you meant.
     
  19. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
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    This is pretty hilarious. You're talking about a community creating forces that would manage community issues. Who would run those things? Oh yeah. Government.
     
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  20. sportscrazed2

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    Wait I guess I just defined a government i guess.
     
  21. sportscrazed2

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    You know what Google seems to agree
     
  22. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Libertarians are basically people that are willing to let other people die so they can have a $.99 burrito at Taco Bell. In other words, Libertarians are ********ing morons.
     
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  23. sportscrazed2

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    Not die but...break a pinky toe?
     
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  24. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Yes, we saw privatized vigilante forces back when the South would send them out to terrorize and kill black families. We moved away from this for a reason.

    Libertarians are white racists that try to hide their motives behind anti-government language. Be aware that this is what right-wing radio is trying to turn you towards. Don’t fall for it. They would gladly go back to slavery once the “big bad government” could no longer enforce civil rights laws.

    Modern publicly promoted Libertarianism is simply a new coat of paint on fascist white supremacy.
     
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  25. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
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    Ok, just to be fair lots of white racists happen to be libertarians. I think you will find plenty of black libertarians. The ideology is not race based.
     
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