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Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by skinut, Nov 12, 2016.

  1. harrylee773

    harrylee773 Member+

    Jul 28, 2004
    Chicago
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    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wish I was optimistic enough to believe that even that would stop anything. The police would instigate with the protesters and goad them into getting arrested if they didn't just arrest them outright. The military gets called in, meh- they'll likely do the same. Even thinking about the absurd- assume a bunch of Trump-humpers with guns came to confront the protesters, would the police and/or military step in then? And for whom? Probably not the protesters...

    One of the authoritarian experts I follow on Twitter (I believe Sarah Kendzior but I may be mistaken) said a while ago that as he realizes how little the traditional institutions can (or are willing to) check his presidential powers, Trump becomes less likely to accept any election result that doesn't see him winning as legitimate. All of the stuff we're hearing/seeing about election tampering will be used by him to sow doubt, and from there- guess what, he has to remain in office until one of the government organizations he's corrupted determines that he really won. Even if the senate is flipped, welp, that needs to be investigated too, and the dopes in there now aren't going to stop it from happening. I really believe things get pretty dark from here, and I don't think there's much that can (or will) be done to stop it.

    but I'll probably just stay in Aurora
     
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  2. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    The academic literature suggests that mass protest-type political action actually tends to be pretty effective.

    Maybe not so coincidentally, the peak of the "protest is the new brunch" period of 2017 coincided with the lowest ebb of Trump's approval ratings.
     
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  3. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    There are two ways to stop Trump.

    First, and best, will be at the polls in November...if we believe that democracy still exists at all.
    There must be an overwhelming vote of repudiation against him.
    It must be so overwhelming that there can be no hint of concern. It must be a mandate, a landslide victory for the other candidate.

    If he wins reelection, the "people" have spoken and the rest of us are screwed.
    (assuming the election is not rigged).

    Second, removal from office.
    Protests will not drive him from office.
    Mass protests against a sitting president have never worked.
    It is hard to see that protests would drive one the cruelest, stupidest, most corrupt people to ever hold the highest position in the land from the office.
    Of course, he does strive to be accepted and maybe it would hurt his ego.

    The only president to resign was, of course, Nixon.
    The mass protests in 1968 were not about Nixon or even LBJ.
    One could argue that the protests factored into LBJ deciding not to run, but that would be overly simplistic.
    The mass protests in 1969-1970 did nothing to Nixon.

    It was the Republicans, when it was clear that Nixon was going to be impeached and, once it went to the Senate, would removed, who told him to go.
    Of course, we would not go until there was a deal the Gerald Ford (who had never been elected as Vice-President) agreed to pardon him.

    It is hard to see the Republicans, who have been complete sycophants to Trump, turning on him. It could happen. He has Barr protecting him. He has Gaetz, Graham, Jordan, etc. practically fellating him. Hell, he was impeached, some (like Lamar Alexander even declared he was "guilty") and they still did not convict.

    However, if McConnell, the evil motherf*cker that he is, thought Trump was more hindrance than help, he would turn on Trump as fast as his turtle body would let him. If there were mass protests and HIS position was under threat, McConnell would drop his support of Trump in a heart beat.

    Oh, crap, with mass protests, McConnell may be our only hope.
     
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  4. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
  5. GHjelm

    GHjelm Member+

    Apr 23, 2008
    Batavia
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    Chicago Fire
    #3281 GHjelm, Feb 16, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2020
    Maybe rebrand Democratic Socialism for the people too stupid for independent thought? The Nordic Model? Not manly enough? The Viking Model?

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    Nailed it.

    Edit: Tongue firmly implanted in cheek.
     
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  6. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
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  7. LIZZIE

    LIZZIE BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 18, 2001
    Sec 126
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Trump just announced the pardons of Eddie DeBartolo and Bernie Kerik, and the commutation of Rod Blagojevich’s sentence

    $%^^%%$$##@@
     
  8. skinut

    skinut Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2000
    Castle Pines, CO (or often elsewhere on earth)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [QUOTE="LIZZIE $%^^%%$$##@@[/QUOTE]

    I'll 2nd that motion. I think you just won the internet for today Lizzie.
     
  9. GHjelm

    GHjelm Member+

    Apr 23, 2008
    Batavia
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    I wonder how IL republicans feel today, since this thoroughly disgusts me.
     
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  10. SixKick

    SixKick Moderator
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    Nov 13, 2000
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I don't like that he got clemency because his family repeatedly and publicly kissed Trump's ass. But I always felt like 14 years was too much from the beginning.
     
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  11. LIZZIE

    LIZZIE BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 18, 2001
    Sec 126
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    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What really bothers me is Trump lets these legally convicted persons go, while going after, amongst others, Alexander Vindemann and James Comey. And his name calling. Makes me ill.
     
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  12. harrylee773

    harrylee773 Member+

    Jul 28, 2004
    Chicago
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    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Once he pardoned the war criminal that posed with the bodies of dead children, I felt like this was inevitable, and his way of telling those convicted for crimes that he's also involved in to stay tight lipped, because he'll let them go, too.
     
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  13. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    True

    Fixed your post
     
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  14. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
    Mordor, Middle Earth
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    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's the point in trying to save money if a single surgery can bankrupt you? Moving to a first world country soon somewhere warm. Does that exist? Australia? Fly to New Zealand walk up mount doom and toss my passport in?
     
  15. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
    Mordor, Middle Earth
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They are gonna be at the UC. Worth it?
     
  16. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Not for $200+ a ticket. Cheapest (section 308) are $135. Most expensive are pushing $1,000.00.

    (I would say, not at any price. The only time I saw them, it was at the Metro in 1993, and it was free, as we were friends with the opening act. For the first band, there were about 6 people and then it was packed for Rage Against the Machine. I listened to three songs, was not impressed, realized I knew the guitarist from high school, and then left).
     
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  17. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    I feel like I'm the only person in Chicago that didn't get a text from the Bloomberg campaign
     
  18. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I have not, fortunately.

    However, I am too busy fending off Warren (my choice for president), Sanders and Mayor Pete to notice.

    At least, Yang is leaving me alone now.
     
  19. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    only a couple from Bernie for me
     
  20. skinut

    skinut Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2000
    Castle Pines, CO (or often elsewhere on earth)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Early last summer, I went to Australia for a couple of weeks. After a few days, I came down with "Melbourne metabolism" or "Sydney squirts." I was having kidney failure from the dehydration. I was hospitalized in Melbourne for 3/days - 2/nights before I could rejoin my group and continue the trip.

    Anyway, being a US citizen, not on the Australian national health or not being from a nation with reciprocal universal health, I had to pay up front and submit the receipts to my travel insurance policy for reimbursement. What shocked me was as a full paying patient, receiving the exact same care I would here in the US, the bill was 1/3 of what it would have been in the USA. And, yes, even during the southern hemisphere winter, it was warm.
     
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  21. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
    Mordor, Middle Earth
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    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well that sucks but, seems like right place right time.
     
  22. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I’ll eventually get a ticket.
     
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  23. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
    Mordor, Middle Earth
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who's going to Megadeth in July? Was willing to drive to Springfield this summer but, in for Tinley Park.
     
  24. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    #3300 CMeszt, Feb 18, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2020
    It's amazing what a country can do when it makes reasonable decisions to keep costs in check. Unfortunately no one seems willing to get specific on how to handle that here. Any national health plan would turn into a gigantic cluster******** until candidates get serious about cost controls, but most dems have been unwilling to get specific about this.
     

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