Chicago Fire Budget Resources

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  1. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
  2. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    GAM number released 3-6. Current (2-20) figure is $1.00 million
    (vs $1.07 estimate).
    Frankly, really, really surprised to be that close. Lucky!
     
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  3. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Given the passage of time and recent “Lewy or #10?” comments, it is probably appropriate to update this thread.
    Available Fire GAM figure announced on 3-2 was (say) $1million. A new DP acquisition would utilize the following resources-
    new DP budget charge $803k plus cost of untagging U22-Radojevic (est $807k less $150k) would be $657k for an annual total of $1,460k. Cost for remaining second half of year would be only $730k ( less than $1 million). New backup ST??
     
  4. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Magic wand, a DP like Griezmann that can play CAM, Winger, & Striker.
    Hold onto remaining GAM for 2027
     
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  5. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    #430 overlap_old_coach, May 12, 2026
    Last edited: May 12, 2026
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  6. xtomx

    xtomx Moderator
    Staff Member

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The day the Salaries are released is one of my favorite days each MLS season, although I am not sure why it is..
     
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  7. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Thoughts (at this point of the season) on the salaries vs performance/value...
    Bamba needs to get back to playing/contributing/DP'ing like his first 4 or 5 games with the club, or he becomes 'a budget problem'.:cautious:
    Cuypers is the 30th highest paid player in the league and only 5 or 6 that are higher would consider are 'clearly better'. Nice to finally have a DP playing like a DP.:thumbsup:
    Zinckernagel and Elliott are solid examples of "TAM players"...clear impact players.:inlove:
    Lod & Saletros...jury is still out...Lod clearly has quality but has looked lost, and Saletros is doing solid yoeman's work but can't seem to find 'sync' with Davilla or our CBs.:confused:
    Davilla, Mbokazi, Barroso, Radojevic, Dithejane...all 'good investments', but their collective immature mistakes continue to sting us. Dje must improve his defensive third.:rolleyes:
    Gutman, Waterman, MHS solid MLS mid-roster quality.:D
    Brady seems great value...or 'cheap'...20th highest paid keeper, 15th makes 2x, 10th makes 2.5x. Improvement in distribution and PKs would likely double his salary.:coffee:
    Oregel, Pineda, & Dean better depth than we have had in quite a while at very reasonable prices.:)
     
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  8. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    The thing that sticks out for me is just the combo of Lod, Saletros, and Davilla all in a row and relatively expensive. It’s like a big, gaping, hole in our midfield and budget.
     
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  9. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

    Mar 25, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    For all he ends up playing (steadily too for the most part) when he should be a simple depth piece...Dean is a steal at that price compared to many higher salaries on the team.
     
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  10. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    #435 overlap_old_coach, May 12, 2026
    Last edited: May 12, 2026
    Add to it the expensive and injured Franco…
    Makes me think we should try Bamba as one of the dual 8s…gotta find a way to make better use of him/get more out of him

    ………………Cuypers
    …MHS……..……………...Zinck
    ………Bamba…..Saletros
    ……………….Davilla
    Gutman..TLB…Elliot…Barroso
    …….………….Brady
     
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  11. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Always interesting. Will take some to digest this.
    Old Coach- Initial takeaway. Big miss on our cap hit spreadsheet on Franco. Not about $700,000 for his guaranteed compensation as estimated but actually over $1,300,000.
    Oh, I remember- for entertainment purposes only.
     
  12. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    FWIW, I believe Franco's fee dropped after our guesstimates and we won't end up far off.
     
  13. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Shit. If he returns to form he’s worth double.
     
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  14. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not questioning his potential value to team or his salary.
    Only noting that actual total guaranteed compensation is substantially different from figure used in our spreadsheet and still the net remaining GAM estimate arrived at was dead-on. Huh?? How did this happen? Will try to check it out.
     
  15. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. Not the answer. The spreadsheet acquisition fee of $1,000,000
    used represents the latest estimate at the time. Reducing this fee all the way to zero would not explain the wide variance. As you are well aware, the fee is not a part of total player compensation.
     
  16. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Previously the guesstimate sheet had $1mil for the fee (amortized over 2.5yrs) and a salary of $697k, resulting in a cap hit of 1.1m.
    No clue what the fee dropped to, but I seem to recall reading rumors of less than half...so a 1.2 base still makes this "low TAM".

    And to his longer term, if he returns to form the contract provides us good value and 'upside' to the market.
     
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  17. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree with you but the point is the wide variance between the 697k and the 1,307k shown on the salary report.
     
  18. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Possible explanation. The fact that Franco is on injury list could mean his salary budget charge is reduced.
    Due to the complexity of the process and the large number of unknowns, it may not be possible to find the answer.
     
  19. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Right, there was reports Franco was not 'rostered' in the spring...half of 1.3 is 650k:coffee:
     
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  20. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In addition to Franco, I noticed two other notable fairly significant variances. Oregel received a greater than expected increase and Pineda’s salary was unexpectedly reduced.
    They basically offset so net impact was minimal.
    On a different subject, Fire actual real$ payroll declined to middle of MLS pack but will zoom back up the list when Lewy is signed. Optimism!
     
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  21. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Initial review- In addition to my earlier comments about salary level of Franco from previous posts, I note that cap hit figures shown for Elliott, Lod and Zinck are each lower than expected considering the guaranteed compensation of each. ( Zinck is substantially lower, other two moderately lower.) Any explanation for this variation from normal practice?
    Also, what is meant by “ estimated cap remaining $2,898,501” ?
     
  23. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Haven't 'deep dived' yet, just thought I'd share that someone setup a data crawler that is public....at first glance it's 'the data', just not clear if the query pulls all the 'factors'
     
  24. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really glad you found it. Can be very useful going forward once we figure it out.
    Is there a contact who could answer questions about it?
     

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