Charlton tells Chelsea to "Get Lost"

Good move by Parker. I don't see him getting the playing time he needs or deserves at Chelsea. Who's he going to replace? Lampard? Veron? No way. He should stay at Chelsea until someline like Liverpool or Arse are ready to build their midfield around him. He's that good and deserves nothing short of that.

 

Couldn't agree more. The EPL is great to watch on an individual game basis, but the season is one of the more boring and worthless competitions to pay attention to week in and week out. "Suspense" comes iin the form of if MU will drop enough points to finish second.

That, my friends, isn't worth a neutral's time.

 

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Feel free to not watch then. No-one cares about you or what you think.

The Premiership is locked between the top 3 teams at the top, with everybody else separated by the thinnest of margins. It's a fascinating year.

 

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Exactly - but, most of the overseas lot just latch onto the top teams and probably couldn't name a dozen of the rest, never mind realise how the table is shaping up this season.

They have a point about the "boring three horse English league" though.
A quick look at the Spanish league will show you that......er, oh...never mind.

As i was saying, a quick look at the Italian league will show you.....er, oh....wait a sec, never mind...

Now, ahem, as i was saying, a quick look at the German league will show you that.....wtf?...........i guess all these leagues are boring.

Parity...thats what we need....i mean, thats not boring ....right?.....really, it's not.....right?

 

Oh, and one more thing.

If CFC really want Parker - we'll get him.
Simple as.

Famous last words.
"over my dead body".....Coleman...FFC.

 

Yes, but not by upping your bid by a measly 500 grand a time. Same old chelsea

 

I remember when we bought entire squads for £500,000.
In fact, Chelseas all time leading top three scorers didn't amount to that much - and we almost didn't get Dixon because Bates was going to baulk at the extra £25,000 that Reading wanted.

 

Scotty

For once Charlton are sticking to their guns and hopefully Scott will decide staying with Charlton will be the best option- unlike those who have gone before him; Lee Bowyer, Danny Mills etc...

He has set our team alight and is the main reason the team are playing so well and competing with the big boys. He has the chance to take us into European Competition, get a regular place in the England team, and continue to be our star, playing week in week out.

The desire will always be there to move on to bigger better things and the time will come when that would be a good move for him, but not now at 23. Our chairman summed the whole thing up very well in an article on skysports.com.

Other clubs could learn by our example- the minnows and the giants alike. I just hope he really does decide to stay, especially after begging Curbs to stay during the Summer.

 

Well it doesn't matter because it looks like Chelsea got him.

http://www.football365.com/All_News/Premiership_News/story_98576.shtml

 

Was there any doubt?

 

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Don't exaggerate - plenty of us could name each team in the order of the table too.

It can get old at times, though total parity is chaotic as well. England is rare in that two teams have completely dominated the championship for almost 12 seasons. The ONLY other team to win was "sugar-daddied" into contention. And Chelsea (if they win in the next year or so) are being "sugar-daddied" too.

Unfortunately Liverpool and Newcastle (and Leeds) have never been able to really push all the way for the championship (at the end of the season) since the league split off.

Roma (or Lazio), Juventus, Inter and Milan all have a crack at winning the Scudetto year-in and year-out. Juventus and Milan have been in ascendency in the 90s, but not exclusively.

Bayern Munich is a big gorilla, but there have been plenty of tight races involving Schalke, Kaiserslautern, Dortmund, Hamburg, Werder Bremen and Leverkusen the last decade or so. And 'Lautern and Dortmund have challenged and won titles recently. This year there is sure to be a re-stacking of the table, as Stuttgart and Bremen appear ascendant again.

And while Spain is ruled by Real Madrid - Valencia, Barcelona and Deportiva could run the table in any given year. After all, Real Socieded almost won the league last season. That would have been something.

Manchester United's dynasty does get pretty old.

 

He's a promising lad but this is at least a year too soon to go to somewhere like that. I imagine he'll be picking up a fat wedge though, and with the way Ranieri shuffles his teams every five minutes he's guaranteed to get at least some chances to play.

Might as well go there, and if you don't break through then just push to move on. It's not as if Chelski will be looking to make a profit.

 

His personal conduct in the whole matter is a little disappointing as well. When you have an example of loyalty like Curbishly before you, you think he might at least train hard and practice and continue to perform his best in matches after hearing about another club's interest.

I don't think Scott Parker would be half the player he is without the opportunity he has gotten at Charlton. If he had come up with Chelsea, he would probably be buried on the bench and/or loaned out to a club like Charlton (due to not having won much playing time in the past).

But the second a big club comes in for him (though he is in the first year of a five year contract), he is suddenly too big for Charlton and initiates "Operation Shutdown".

Oh well, Manu, he and Joey Cole can spend time picking splinters out of one another's . . . shorts. Maybe he can learn another language from Claude Makalele, Seba or Geremi when they aren't busy taking his playing time.

I will be interested to see what Charlton does with the cash.

The other thing that really stinks - Curbishly doesn't have hardly any time to find a substitute for Parker. The FA should be allowed to issue waivers to smaller clubs that allow them to pick up overseas players (that way they don't poach other small teams) outside the transfer windows when a big team comes and rapes and pillages. Even if Charlton had rolled over as soon as Chelsea tapped-up (even if not officially) Parker, it would have been tough for them to replace him as short as the transfer window is.

That really is a shame considering their league position and the huge role that Parker had in the side. Charlton had a legitimate crack at a UEFA cup spot, but that is going to be a tough nut to crack with the reduced squad.

 

Agreed SC, this whole situation stinks. I understand players have to look out for themselves, but Parker really screwed Charlton bigtime with his behavior concerning this.

 

Unfortunately, when players need to play hard ball to negotiate, its pretty easy to make them look bad. All we have is Alan Curbishly's word on how Scott Parker has been training. Is Curbishly unbiased?

I agree Parker owes Charlton a lot. How does 10 million pounds strike you?

Chelsea is possibly suffering an injury crisis right now in defense. Terry and Huth have taken each other out, for how long no one knows. In midfield, Veron is out for the rest of the year. Its funny about all this talk of players not getting games, when it seems more like we've had a hard time keeping a steady starting 11 healthy.

Curbishly surely has been planning for the eventuality of losing Parker. And, if he wanted more time he should have made the deal sooner.

Everyone keeps hanging their heads and complaining that Fulham and Charlton have been badly done by these deals. Charlton is getting 10 million pounds and the services of Carlton Cole for another season. That may not be much, but its better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

 

He's known him for ten years, so I'm pretty sure he'd be able to tell...do you think Curbishly would lie about this?? Do you think he's that kind of guy??

 

I don't know, he also said there was NO WAY Parker would be sold, no matter WHAT Chelsea offered. Now that didn't turn out to be true, did it? Maybe it was all a little game to squeeze more money out of Chelsea. If so, it worked.

 

Hmmm, so Chelsea may be the victims now?? That's highly, highly speculative. If not a bit ridiculous.

 

I trust that Curbishly isn't making this up. He didn't even let Parker travel with the team - and that was before the transfer was in any way assured. He genuinely likes Parker (he has known him since his boyhood) and wouldn't slander him without cause.

Waaaahhhh.

If you take your blue blinders off and read my post, I am not saying Chelsea/Parker are wrong for wanting the transfer (or even forcing it). What I am saying is wrong is that Parker/Chelsea didn't even give Curbishly the option of a transfer at the end of the season or even the option of spurning Chelsea outright, because Parker effectively quit on the team.

Chelsea will get compensated for losing the player, but that doesn't help them in the run-in. They don't have time to sign a new player.

Getting Carlton Cole's services for a year (that doesn't sound too good given his proclivities) and a neat transfer fee doesn't help them replace the heart of their engine room when they are placed fifth/sixth in the table. I think it is a crying shame that the rule (transfer window) is making it hard for a model club like Charlton to compete for honors.

Plus, you have to hope that Carlton Cole is okay with this arrangement too. He might decide to get the "I feel like a piece of meat" sulks too. Then what is Curbishly supposed to do? Ask for Winston Bogarde?

Sure. When I waste countless hours negotiating a new 5 year contract with a player, I am honestly planning to replace him midway throught the NEXT SEASON. For crying out loud, should Curbishly (or Coleman, etc) start telling his players not to try too hard to look good - just so he has a better chance of keeping his squad together? Give me a break. Maybe instead of a transfer window, FIFA should set up a mid-season transfer cap. Teams couldn't make a transfer offer of more than x amount until the close season. That way teams couldn't be out-leveraged in the middle of the season.

IF Curbishly had just rolled over and taken 7million for Parker the first day that Chelsea offered TWO WEEKS AGO(!!!) - then he might have had time to line up a decent replacement. The transfer window is one month long. These deals take time to work out. Curbishly had to see if Parker would stick it out (a week told him the answer) and he needed another week to at least get the best possible deal out of it. That leaves him with less than a week to find another player.

Use some common sense "the 101er". That isn't enough time to replace a young International midfielder and club icon of Parker's stature.

 

I'm no expert on Charlton affairs, but like a lot of League club supporters, look up with admiration at the way they've done things in the past 10 years. Which makes the Parker move really frustrating and its exemplary of some painful realities in football. I can understand why Charlton took the bid, they need money like anyone else under the big 3. They're in the midst of a major stadium additions and I don't know what the financial planning situation is - but I'm sure £10 million won't hurt.

The only question is why Parker would want to go. Did he actually insist on going and make it clear he did not want to play for Charlton again? That could be what the public is being fed - while agent and cash are bigger factors. It's the upside I don't see for Parker. Sure he's confident, like most professional athletes, that he will rise above the rest at his new club, but he's got so much competition to beat. Lampard is clearly the first name on the team sheet, Makalele has been a steady choice in about 3/4 of their matches. Then add Joe Cole and Geremi. Veron is injured - but Parker will still be 3rd choice at best - 5th at worst.

For that he joins a club that can pay him a lot more, but is only guaranteed of finishing 1 place higher than Charlton. Erikson already gave him England recognition without having to play for a Champs League side - if anything sitting will only hurt his Euro 2004 chances. The way he was going at Charlton he would have strolled into the England squad this summer. And Charlton have a legitimate shot at Champions League football next season.

I don't know, maybe its just the fact that he's going from a club I respect to a club I despise, but it still doesn't make perfect sense to me.

 

Um...somebody got their computer nicked then i see

Fair points.
I have also said on the Chels board many times that he will be a squad player at the best of times, not making the trip at all on the worst of times.

He's got to be chancing it though ain't he?
He sees what Lumpy did and thinks he can do the same i suppose - then again nobody knows just what Ranieri told him about what will happen in the off season.

 

I think Parker did the best move for his career. Opportunities like this should be seized with both hands and on natural ability I rate Parker higher than Lampard. The main reason Lampard is a better player right now is because he's benefitted from training with top class players at a big club week in and week out. It's that competition and exposure which has helped make Lampard a regular and an international.

Parker may have benefitted from another year to hone his skills and build his reputation and experience. But in another year Chelski would definitely have already signed someone else for that role and his chance would be gone. It's also worth bearing in mind that this move was not suddenly sprung on Charlton in this window. It was already well documented that in the summer Chelsea registered an interest and took out a first option on Parker. They did the same for Joe Cole and bought him from West Ham, so it's not like this came out of the blue, or that Charlton didn't realise that if Chelsea came calling that Parker would want the move.

 

I think that's a fairly condescending view of Charlton and Parker. As a player, he does not need to see higher competition or "hone" his game at all. He has played breathtakingly well this season for the 4th place team in the Premiership. Not at all like Lampard's situation at a sliding West Ham. And Parker has already been accepted into the England framework - not getting in the Chelsea team is hardly going to improve his chances.

This is just about Parker taking the money now (can't fully blame anyone for that), placing himself in a position for higher media recognition (endorsements) and better chance for future medals.

 

I feel sick

Understandably I am feeling pretty sick about the whole affair right now. It has been comforting to read the comments of Liverpool_SC, QPR Kevin and 655321 though. At least people have a level head about this and appreciate the way Charlton are as a club and the fact that Charlton really couldn't avoid this happening.

It is rich that after Scott pursuading Curbs to stay on at Charlton in the summer he then goes and buggers off after only 6mths of his new 5 year contract has passed.

I, for one, will certainly find it hard to be supporting Scotty in his career for a while after jumping ship. He has undoubtably done a fantastic job for Charlton but it is only half done.

As for Charlton, we will continue to produce great players that set the league alight (Jamal Campbell-Ryce is a fantastic prospect!), and hopefully this will not dent our European march. Charlton are a club that have always done it the right way, so I hope we get the reward.

I guess this is a big win for the money bags clubs with the fat cheque books and a bad loss for real fans and clubs with credablility.