Review: Channel Media and Market Survey on Boston Sports

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  1. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you haven't seen this, check it out. Some very sad stats about the Revs market presence, or the Krafts work with the Revs.

    Hopefully this works. It's a PPT presentation.
     
  2. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In the past 2 years, which of the following teams’ games have you attended in person? (Actually went to the stadium/ballpark) (Please select all that apply)- Revs 6%
    How often do you follow each of the following New England sports teams? - Revs aren't followed at all by 45% of the surveyed.
    Are you a season ticket holder to any of the following? (Please check all that apply) - Revs 2%
    Which of the following teams’ ownership do you believe has done the best job with their team over the past 5 years? (Please select only one) - Revs lowest at 4% for Kraft
    Which of the following teams’ ownership do you ADMIRE the most for what they have done for their team and their fans over the past 5 years? (Please select only one) - Revs lowest at 9%
    Which of the following teams’ leadership (president, GM, CEO, operations) do you believe is doing the BEST job right now? (Please select only one) - Revs lowest at 5% for Jonathan Kraft
     
  3. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This amused me:
    In the past 5 years, do you believe the New England Revolution… Changing for the better: 22%
    Same: 65%
    Worse: 13%
     
  4. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    38% have attended a Patriots game in person?

    That cannot be right.

    Also: Gerry Calahan #2 favorite sports personality? WTF totally unlistenable shit. I think I found the problem here.
     
  5. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Out of 7,236 people, 38% had attended a game within the last two years. Makes sense to me, that's 2,750 people ...
     
  6. Weber King

    Weber King Member

    Sep 28, 2001
    North Andover, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Read it. Undoubtedly, there is an excellent sample size (4,000+). Distribution among married and single people was almost 50/50. For the most part, we are white and educated. 70% of those questioned were male. No surprises there.

    However, there are a number of answers that had me scratching my head:
    1. The areas of improvement that were identified were spot on, but the percentages of people that found these areas were incredibly low (<20%)
    2. Over the last 5 years, out of almost 4,000 respondents, 87% thought the Revs were getting better or not declining.
    3. Almost 2/3 of respondents thought Gillette was good or excellent for Revs games.
    4. Over 60% thought they were focused on winning a championship.
    5. More than half thought the team was capable of making good decisions.
    6. Over 50% thought they were capable of getting talented players.
    7. Over 50% thought they were capable of being competitive in the league.
    I don't know the mindset of the respondents, or how many were STHs (other than it was 2% of those surveyed), but if the Revs see this, I question how motivated they will be to act when they now have independently gathered empirical data that doesn't necessarily cry out for wholescale changes.
     
    Chowda repped this.
  7. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Same old Revs.
     
  8. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the weird part about this. They give the Krafts terrible rankings in regards to their success, but then the when they get in depth, it's like they have no idea what's going on?
     
  9. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    49% of respondents are employed full time. 38% went to a Patriots game. Which free tickets were those?

    Then again, the household income is WAY above the median for this region. There is some kind of selection bias here, unless sports fans are predominantly affluent beyond reason.
     
  10. revsrock

    revsrock Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    Boston Ma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the part that will surprise some people(not me thou) is that the Red Sox are not #1 in this market. I wonder how that will sit over at Yawkey Way. I actually think most of this survey falls in line from what I have gathered on different sports message boards and attending game.

    I think the only Sports ownership group that is going to be upset about this is FSG. Shows that the Red Sox have lost major ground on the Pats and TV ratings bear that out.
     
  11. revsrock

    revsrock Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    Boston Ma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Pats tickets are not that hard to come by. And yes people spend money they don't have on sports tickets. How does that surprise you?
     
  12. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This has been going on for years, but the baseball people keep arguing otherwise.
     
  13. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Baseball in general is declining in popularity. There's more competition in the sports entertainment market. I think MLB just asks too much of fans with games every night.

    It takes 5 hours a week to follow an NFL team (2 if you have a DVR). If you want to adequately follow an MLB team, it takes twice as long (up to four times as long if you really want to catch every game). In a market where most people have their eyes on three or four different sports, its just really hard to follow the MLB.
     
  14. Chowda

    Chowda Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Yeah, it is like asking how many people have been to Wendy's in the last three days and only sending the survey to fat people. It may not give accurate numbers for the general population, but serious fast food customers will educate us on which burger joints are trending upward.
     
  15. Crooked

    Crooked Member+

    May 1, 2005
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Even though the Pats started improving in the mid 90's and their dynasty started forming in 2001, this was still a baseball town through 2007 or so. At least in my opinion. Sure people will always turn to attendance numbers and TV ratings/viewership, but that's just the nature of a 16 game football season versus a 162 game baseball season. The Red Sox-Yankees rivalry from 2003-2007 and the great playoff games over that time period captured the interest of more people than the Patriots' near perfect season IMO.

    As much as I agree that this is a football town now and that the Sox are on the back burner, I'm left wondering how different things will be for the Patriots when Brady and Belichick inevitably retire. Just as the early to mid 2000s was the apex of interest for the Red Sox, one could argue the same thing about the current Patriots. The counter argument to that would be that the NFL is currently the biggest professional sports league on a national basis while MLB is dwindling, so regardless of the Patriots performance people will still remain interested in the product.

    That being said, I don't really know which team will be the most popular five to ten years from now. However, I think it will be very interesting to see if the Red Sox can recover and whether or not the Patriots can continue to grow/at least maintain the current level of interest.
     
  16. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or 6 hours and 7 minutes for just one game (the Pirates/Cards game last week went 19 innings). :eek:
     
  17. Chowda

    Chowda Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Students and retirees don't go to Pats games?

    Also, when I went to a few games in the mid 80's, most Pats fans didn't smell like they could hold down a full time job.
     
  18. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually with the prices as they are for Boston sports teams, as I believe the Bs, Cs, Pats and Sox are all right near the top of their leagues in ticket prices, again ... this doesn't surprise me.
     
  19. revsrock

    revsrock Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    Boston Ma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    They are and besides the obvious winning brings demand and higher prices. It also has a little to do with the fact the Jacobs and Kraft did build their stadiums with their own money. Red Sox because they can and have the sixth smallest park in MLB. Celtics because they don't own the stadium nor concessions.
     
  20. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not surprised that the NFL is popular, it is. I'm not surprised people would sit down and watch a football game (even though I would not), I am surprised that people will sit in hours of traffic and pay crazy prices to watch it in person, and that somehow that number is higher than the number who will sit in hours of traffic and pay crazy prices to go to Fenway...

    80x30k=2.4m
    8x60k=0.5m

    Doesn't add up.
     
  21. Crooked

    Crooked Member+

    May 1, 2005
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    While watching football in person isn't nearly as enjoyable as watching from your couch, the tailgating and gameday experience is something that attracts fans.
     
  22. Chowda

    Chowda Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Before they formatted games to match the advertisement vehicle the Super Bowl had become, NFL games were a blast to watch live. Instant replay had a lot to do with that, too.
     
  23. revsrock

    revsrock Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    Boston Ma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What doesn't add up? That people went to a popular sports team? Like I said before I see people selling tickets on facebook/twitter/craigslist all the time. Look at Stub Hub crap load of tickets available. People get tickets from work/friends. When it comes to sports all lot of people use their entertainment dollars to go to live games.
     
  24. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What doesn't add up is that there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.5million gameday tickets available to the Red Sox each year, and there are about half a million in-season gameday home tickets available for the Patriots, yet according to that poll the percentage responding that they had seen a Patriots game live was higher than for the Red Sox, even though there are on the order of five times as many seats available for butts.
     
  25. revsrock

    revsrock Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    Boston Ma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually it wasn't go look at it again

    Red Sox 43%
    Pats 38%
     

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