Changing Training

Discussion in 'Hattrick' started by ZeekLTK, Jun 30, 2005.

  1. ZeekLTK

    ZeekLTK Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    I have been training keepers since I started this game (beginning of Season 22) and I now have a 21 year old keeper who I expect to be extra-terrestrial by the end of the season. I have a backup keeper who will be solid, possibly excellent, by the end of the year as well.

    I think having an ET keeper who is only 22 years old will have me "set" at the keeper position for the next 10-12 seasons, and I don't want to sell him and have to start over, so I am simply going to keep him, sell my backup, and switch training to build up other positions.

    I'm just not sure how. Right now my defense is aweful. I have 1, maybe 2 solid defenders, the rest are passable. In midfield I have a 25 year old outstanding, and then two solids (one who will become my coach within a season or two). On the wings I have an excellent and a solid. And up front I have a passable with divine set pieces, a solid, and an excellent. I currently use 3-5-2, 3-4-3, and 5-4-1 as my main formations.

    So... I'm not sure what to switch to, and once I do, how to go about it. Should I start getting my future trainees now and let them rot on the bench until the end of the season? Wait until the last possible minute to get them? Also what skills should I look for? At the moment I have $500,000 in the bank. But will have a lot more later on when I am looking to buy trainees. But I imagine I won't need to spend that much. The current guy I have in net started as an 18 year old inadequate that I picked up for $9,000.... now he's worth over $5,000,000. :D
     
  2. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would say consider PM, play your current starters and then get a bunch of young trainees. Don't know when you want to start training, but you can get 17 yo passables and solids cheaper towards the end of the season.
     
  3. Stogey23

    Stogey23 Member+

    Dec 12, 1998
    San Diego, CA
    If you're going to PM, I would recommend doing three things:

    1) Sell that 5mil keeper. I know it will be tough, but you need that money if you want to hit the ground running in PM training. You can buy a high expereince replacement keeper for 1mil (formid?) that will be good enough.

    2) For at least 3-4 of your IM trainees, but 18yo excellents or 18-19yo formids. You want your midfield to be decent from the start, and this will go a long way towards this goal. You can use the remaining two IM spots for 17yo passables/solids if you like, but these players will be useless in your first team.

    3) You'll have 4 winger spots. Try to get two excellent/formid wingers with inad or passable PM. These will be your starters. What you do with those other two spots is your perrogative, but I'm starting to use them as pure training spots for excellent IMs that I think are close to popping. This way you have these guys available if you want to play your wingers towards middle.

    Hope this helps!
     
  4. ZeekLTK

    ZeekLTK Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Yeah but the point of changing training is so I don't have to sell my keeper. If I sell him I might as well buy a new keeper trainee and then buy outstanding/brilliant midfielders...

    BTW he did pop tonight. :D

    Dennis Figueroa (32067794)
    TSI = 51 760 , 21 years, passable form
    Has weak experience and weak leadership abilities

    Stamina: solid Keeper: titanic
    Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
    Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
    Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: disastrous
     
  5. Stogey23

    Stogey23 Member+

    Dec 12, 1998
    San Diego, CA
    I'm telling you, ship his ass out. And you could only buy 2 brilliant IMs with the money from his sale.

    Or do you want to torture yourself with more results like this past Sundays? Train PM, and your average Hatstats will actually go up because the most important part of your team will get better every week.
     
  6. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    hard to argue against PM training....but let me try.

    You have this titanic goalkeeper and already a couple decent midfielders. You dont need to improve the D at all with that keeper boosting ratings. Why not go the other direction and train scoring?...You already have 3 decent strikers, take them all up one level each and sell for some decent cash.

    in the meantime add 3 17yos and begin their improvement. When you sell your top 3 strikers, put the money in midfield and 3 more 17yo strikers and run the training cycle...
     
  7. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    This guy is no doubt great, but the value he is/would be to your team while on it is nothing compared to what u could do with even 3.5M to buy trainees w/ (considering you will spend no more than 1.5 on a replacement).

    Midfield is the way to go. Buy, like was suggested some young excellents/solids... with the kind of cash you have, I'd make sure all of your trainees have atleast inad. passing as well.

    W/ 3.5 to invest into PM training you will see results within one season. Teams that you used to struggle against will be pic stomps for your trainees/bench in that time period. Also, if you get lucky in yp's you might pull a decent trainee or two so that you might only have to buy 4 or 5 trainees right away.
     
  8. Stogey23

    Stogey23 Member+

    Dec 12, 1998
    San Diego, CA
    I agree with phillips10 that scoring is another good option, but I guess my main point is that a titanic keeper is simply overkill for DV. A formid keeper is great for DV and the profits would give you a head start in any training (scoring or PM) you choose. You would get to skip the passable/solid levels where you don't get much value per week trained.

    I like the scoring idea, but I would lean towards PM because you can't score if you don't get the chances. Plus, you'd be able to sell all your existing midfielders to additionially fund your renaissance.
     
  9. ZeekLTK

    ZeekLTK Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    I think scoring will probably be the best bet. I only have 3 forwards now and they are all old. I was considering this anyways since I have such a great defense but I can't score any goals. Here is my current attack force:

    Donato Lara
    TSI = 420 , 31 years, inadequate form
    Has inadequate experience and weak leadership abilities

    Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
    Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
    Winger: poor Defending: poor
    Scoring: solid Set Pieces: wretched


    Mauro Quinteros
    TSI = 1 290 , 30 years, passable form
    Has weak experience and passable leadership abilities

    Stamina: formidable Keeper: disastrous
    Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
    Winger: wretched Defending: poor
    Scoring: excellent Set Pieces: disastrous


    Peter Sedstad
    TSI = 1 550 , 24 years, passable form
    Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities

    Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
    Playmaking: wretched Passing: solid
    Winger: weak Defending: weak
    Scoring: passable Set Pieces: divine



    So... what kind of skills should I look for in trainees? Do they need to have good stamina/passing/any thing else?
     
  10. Kermmy803

    Kermmy803 Member

    Jul 10, 2002
    Denton County, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Personally, I would probably keep Peter and train to at least Solid then sell him. His Sol/Pass and Div/SP will bring a nice sell price, IMHO.

    I wouldn't worry too much about Stamina on Forwards unless you plan on doing a lot of Pressing and you would want a little Defense on them if you do.

    Remember, Passing will only add to Central attack on Forwards, but a Forward's Scoring is the 2nd greatest contributor to your Flank attacks according to the rules. At least Weak and preferrably Inadequate or better Passing would be my suggestion.
     
  11. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Zeek, I'd sell the 30yos now...and train the 24yo to his next pop and sell. Fill up the rest with 17yo scorers.....inad passing is good for resale.

    maybe get a few passable/inads then some dirt cheap inad/inads. If you dont have the cash for 5 trainees with passing, you could go weak passing on some and sometime down the line mix in a little passing training.

    Head specialty is also good in one of the trainees. But dont worry about stamina or anything else.
     
  12. Craig P

    Craig P BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 26, 1999
    Eastern MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First, I'd recommend switching sooner if you intend on keeping him, because past titanic I believe the wages start to go up quickly.

    I certainly haven't followed the conventional wisdom offered here about selling my primary trainee, but I was also better prepared for a training switch -- I set myself up to have a backup at brilliant for sale, so I was able to walk into a switch to winger training with a couple million in the bank. If you can pull it off, you should consider it -- even a titanic keeper would easily be good enough for IV (my guy lands in the top 20 or even the top 10 in good form) and probably beyond that, so you wouldn't need to worry about spending money at that position for some time to come.
     
  13. LaBella

    LaBella New Member

    May 23, 2004
    Boston, MA
    I would either train Winger or Striker. - not sure what you have for wingers so I'd say go Striker.

    500K in the bank will get you on the right path. Unload those 2 old guys and keep the 24 year old. A tad too old but he'll get good cash with a bump and hopefully hold the fort until your trainees pop up.

    KEEP THE KEEPER - I think that's an awesome cornerstone to build around. And with the firepower from the striker training you can use the transfer $ to focus on the MF and dominate.
     
  14. ZeekLTK

    ZeekLTK Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Alright, I "accidentally" got a jump start on my striker plan. I was going to slowly acquire new strikers throughout the course of the season so I'd be ready to go at the end of the season, and I bid on 5 guys last night figuring I'd, at best, get 1 or 2... well, apparently no one else logged on last night and I got all 5!

    So... since my backup keeper will pop to solid next week (I was expecting it tonight but apparently just missed), I guess I'll sell him with the two "old dudes" and get started on training strikers (leaving my keeper at Titanic). Here is what I got:

    Peter Sedstad (13319294)
    24 years, passable form, bruised, but playing
    A controversial person who is temperamental and righteous.
    Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities.

    Nationality: Sverige
    Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 490

    Stamina: excellent Goaltending: disastrous
    Playmaking: wretched Passing: solid
    Winger: weak Defending: weak
    Scoring: passable Set Pieces: divine



    Haadiya Sharma (59803669)
    18 years, inadequate form, healthy
    A sympathetic guy who is balanced and upright.
    Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.

    Nationality: Malaysia
    Total Skill Index (TSI): 630

    Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: disastrous
    Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
    Winger: poor Defending: weak
    Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate



    Mart Luijkx (69822404)
    17 years, passable form, healthy
    A nasty fellow who is calm and dishonest.
    Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities.

    Speciality: Unpredictable

    Nationality: Nederland
    Total Skill Index (TSI): 430

    Stamina: weak Goaltending: disastrous
    Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
    Winger: poor Defending: weak
    Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate



    Carsten Henke (66714813)
    18 years, passable form, healthy
    A nasty fellow who is tranquil and upright.
    Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.

    Nationality: Nederland
    Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 490

    Stamina: weak Goaltending: disastrous
    Playmaking: weak Passing: solid
    Winger: weak Defending: inadequate
    Scoring: passable Set Pieces: poor


    Gerko Steenvoorden (69825042)
    18 years, passable form, healthy
    A sympathetic guy who is balanced and righteous.
    Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.

    Speciality: Head

    Nationality: Nederland
    Total Skill Index (TSI): 720

    Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: disastrous
    Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
    Winger: weak Defending: disastrous
    Scoring: solid Set Pieces: poor


    Charles Campden (65674750)
    17 years, passable form, healthy
    A sympathetic guy who is balanced and honest.
    Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.

    Nationality: Oceania
    Total Skill Index (TSI): 520

    Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: disastrous
    Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
    Winger: poor Defending: poor
    Scoring: passable Set Pieces: poor
     
  15. ZeekLTK

    ZeekLTK Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Oh, right now I have 7 goalie coaches and 3 assistant coaches, what do I need to change that to for striker training? 2 goalies and 8 assistants? 1:9? 3:7?
     
  16. JAOL24

    JAOL24 New Member

    Jan 14, 2004
    Los Angeles
    Now that you are not training goalkeeping you will only need one gk trainer so: 9:1 ratio will be fine.

    I would train your forwards until your best 2 reach outstanding then sell the rest and concentrate on acquiring midfield trainees. You need a great midfield to win at this game. You have a great goalie now you need the mid to win games.

    If you decide you like training scoring then buy 3 good midfielders before wingers and defenders when you start selling off your forward trainees.
     
  17. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    good job, you jumped right in there on scoring training....1-9 with assistants is fine. I'd move the 24 yo at the first pop...in regards to the last post I would not stop at outstanding, train to brilliant and sell a couple and buy better midfielders...then buy a better round of trainees.

    but thats a while down the road, for now experiment with different ways of playing the 3-4-3..
     
  18. ZeekLTK

    ZeekLTK Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Ok, my backup keeper DID pop, so I am going to change training for next week. But... I looked at the choices and there is "Scoring" and "Shooting"... what do I pick, and what is the difference?

    I am so excited my team will finally be able to score goals. If I play the right defensive formations I can pull a formidable defensive rating, but no matter what I do on offense I can never get it above weak. This is going to be awesome. :D
     
  19. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Scoring is what u want to pick, that trains forwards... i believe shooting is for all players but defenders... or it might be all but forwards.. either way, pick scoring...
     
  20. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    yeah big difference, train scoring. I may experiment with "shooting" in the offseason for the first time as it trains all outfield players who play that week, but at 50% the rate (or less) that "scoring" does.

    they key thing for you going forward will be to figure out how to get close enough in the midfield ratings to let your defense and growing attack win games.
     
  21. ZeekLTK

    ZeekLTK Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Ok, one of my guys got injured in my league match and a sub came in. However, Player A (the guy who got injured) says "bruised but training". So... will he get training this week even if he doesn't play in the friendly? What about Player B (the sub who came in). Do I need to play either of them in my friendly to get training or will their appearances in the league match be enough to train them?

    Basically, I have 6 trainees. Two who played in the league match and two who are going to play in the friendly. Then the one who got injured and the one who came in for him. Which one of those two do I need to play in my friendly in order to get all 6 of them trained this week?
     
  22. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Both will get training, if the player that got hurt has bruised but training under his name, then he will get training. His replacement will also get training for appearing in the game as well.
     
  23. CrewDust

    CrewDust Member

    May 6, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Play neither, play another player that you want training, when this happens to me I play a winger as an IM.
     

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