Changing Landscapes - Chicagoland

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by VolklP19, Dec 28, 2016.

  1. RandomSoccerFan

    United States
    Sep 11, 2022
    They are now saying 6-10 games against rated teams. I thought it used to say 5-8, but I could be misremembering. I have seen teams show a rating with as few as 5 games in their history, but it often takes more. The reason it varies and isn't a single number to point to is it likely depends on how the team is performing against its competition. If it is extremely consistent, it is probably fewer games as a threshold. If it is inconsistent, it probably takes a few more games before the app is satisfied that their rating is statistically valid. Link to FAQ which answers most of the expected questions.

    Right now it looks like 2013G Eclipse RL has only 2 games in its history, and only 1 of them is vs. a team that has a rating - the other one is also unrated. So it's going to take a little while for the team to get enough rated games, unless it is determined that it really is the same as one of the existing unranked teams and they should be merged to combine existing results.

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  2. JustaJane

    JustaJane Member

    Fire
    Canada
    Feb 4, 2025
    I do see 2013 and 2012 Eclipse RL girls in this upcoming Socctoberfest schedule this weekend. The 2013s are playing in the 2012 bracket so that might add a few qualifying matches under their belts.
     
  3. RandomSoccerFan

    United States
    Sep 11, 2022
    It looks like they tied for 4th (vs. Galaxy 2013G Aspire). It's strange, the schedule won't display any of the pool games, and only shows the last bracket game. I'd imagine SR may be able to load it, but may not be able to load any of the prior games unless I'm missing something on the website.

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  4. RandomSoccerFan

    United States
    Sep 11, 2022
    It looks like they have been successfully merged.

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  5. Dirtycleats

    Dirtycleats Member

    United States
    Apr 18, 2024
    That is strange, they were showing the pool games this past weekend at that tournament.
     
  6. FootingTheBill

    Feb 20, 2025
    United States
    Individual brackets are still in the Players First Access app.
     

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  7. FootingTheBill

    Feb 20, 2025
    United States
    I had to filter to team level to find them. My post should say games not brackets.
     
  8. Dirtycleats

    Dirtycleats Member

    United States
    Apr 18, 2024

    So these results probably wouldn’t make it in to SR then?
     
  9. RandomSoccerFan

    United States
    Sep 11, 2022
    Sometimes when tournament results aren't available publicly, they will provide a spreadsheet of results to him for it to be loaded. Some tournaments are good about it and really want their results up in SR, others couldn't care less.
     
  10. FootingTheBill

    Feb 20, 2025
    United States
    our last tournament was in the PFA app and ended up in SR just fine.
     
  11. SouthBendSocks

    none
    United States
    Feb 17, 2025
    I was at that tournament, the Galaxy teams had their GA girls playing to help out, as well as the eclipse 2012 team. Not really sure much can be gathered from playing against older girls who would not normally be playing or helping the aspire/rl teams.
     
  12. soccercrzyparent

    Sep 4, 2024
    #9412 soccercrzyparent, Oct 2, 2025
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2025
    that is not accurate Galaxy didnt have any GA players helping. The 2012 GA team had games this past weekend. The 2012 RL team had 2013 NL players helping out.
     
  13. Milquetoast

    Milquetoast Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Sep 7, 2024
    After yesterday I think my observation that Inter has bypassed Eclipse as the best ECNL team at the oldest group holds. Inter beat Eclipse 3-1 and Rockford wet the bed against Nationals losing 8-2. I guess the fact Rockford got two is a relative achievement as they are averaging less than a goal per game for the season. So right now for Illinois Inter is the stud in 8th place, Eclipse is the Jan Brady in 11th and Rockford should be be demoted to IWSL in 14th with a .16 points per game, luckily the Iowa team is winless and MTA hasn’t started yet.
     
  14. RandomSoccerFan

    United States
    Sep 11, 2022
    Yep, that shouldn't be seen as controversial. SR is seeing them the same way, FWIW.

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  15. Milquetoast

    Milquetoast Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Sep 7, 2024


    To quote Michael Scott, "well well well, how the turntables...." Inter looks pretty strong, and just a year or two ago they were the worst in their division. Inter's coaches should be commended, I think they have a nucleus of long time members they have developed which should be the name of the game. I know they added a few talented Evolution girls over the years but it looks to me like Inter raised their level too.

    So is Galaxy-GA #1 and FCU-GA in the 3 spot?
     
  16. RandomSoccerFan

    United States
    Sep 11, 2022
    Almost. Galaxy GA is #1, but Eclipse is now showing #3 while FCU is showing #4. They are only a hundredth of a point off between each other, so it could shift for almost any reason daily.

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  17. RedsSupporterNWA

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Feb 9, 2022
     

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  18. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    What's the best U8-U12 clubs for girls in between Lake and McHenry Counties in Illinois?
     
  19. RandomSoccerFan

    United States
    Sep 11, 2022
  20. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    It's that bad huh?
     
  21. RandomSoccerFan

    United States
    Sep 11, 2022
    Your schtick is getting old. I thought you got tired of it a few years ago. I, and anyone else with a phone, can tell you which teams in IL are expected to beat other teams in IL today. They can also tell you which clubs have the strongest top teams that would be expected to beat the top teams of competing clubs. It's going to make a pretty good prediction - much better than anyone is ever likely to do by looking at a standings bracket. Deciding to join a team solely because it's going to beat another team, or deciding to join a club solely because its top teams are impressive, probably isn't enough information alone for anyone to go on. There are plenty of other solid reasons to join a particular team or club, and any/all of them may be valid. Hopefully if someone asks your opinion on which local clubs they might consider, you're able to point them in the right direction with more information than they had when they asked you.

    Here are all clubs with girls teams in IL (U11G-U17G, at least 5 age groups represented):

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    Here are some of the top U11G teams, of 192 currently showing in IL:

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  22. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    Take a log off that fire big shooter. I was asking an honest question. For many years I would push many of my better players to Sockers but looking at their IWSL standings - no way. I have been pushing them to Force. I was only asking because I wanted to validate if that still is the best move.

    Furthermore - I am not looking for what team will beat any other team. My question - as stated was far more general. Looks like the app cannot do that.

    Hey - only 250 calories - have one already. :rolleyes:

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  23. gumballhead

    gumballhead Member

    United States
    Jun 3, 2024
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    what is this app you fight about? Does it really matter? I can honestly say I have never looked at it. I suppose if your kids on the team an you want to justify the 10k you're spending. per year. But, shouldn't you pick clubs because its a challenging environment and your kid is getting better? It's funny to watch people discuss which teams are better by this amount of points. I would not let my kids see such a thing. They should play their heart out every game regardless of what some app says.. What a waste of time. Why doesn't this thread talk about who the good coaches are and where kids can get extra touches with people that help them get better? My kid was developed by a guy who sets his own goals up every night in a park for 5 years, and now he is at the very highest level in the country.

    I know of big badge clubs that absolutely have not developed their kids. The badge matters if they want to play for a big college so as to be seen for recruiting. But they also have to be able to play and stay there. someone should start a thread entitled "The app that tells your kid not to play hard" so parents can brag about team rankings
     
  24. AmbroseBlack

    AmbroseBlack New Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jan 28, 2025
    Chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does this guy still train? If so, can you message me his name?
     
  25. ILBlues

    ILBlues Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Sep 26, 2024
    There is a high correlation between how high a team is ranked and how good their players are .

    And I want my kid to be challenged every day in practice by the best of the best players. Iron sharpens iron and all that.

    Your kid is not going to get better playing against weak competition in practice no matter how good their coach is.

    And just to address some of your points:

    -you somehow conflate an app that ranks teams with your kid not playing hard. Yeah, if your kid looks at the app and doesnt play hard, it is a kid issue not an app issue.
    -Some people enjoy the analytics of the app, clearly not you but some do. So there is an easy solution if you think it is a waste of time, simply dont use it. But try to refrain from policing what others like and find value in.
    -You must not have been around this thread much because there are all kinds of posts about good coaches, good supplemental training, etc.

    You dont like the content of the thread nobody forcing you to read it. But to come on here and blather on with your sanctimonious tone makes you look like a tool………..
     

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