Changing Landscapes - Chicagoland

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by VolklP19, Dec 28, 2016.

  1. SouthwestSoccer107

    Fire
    United States
    Oct 15, 2023
    I completely agree. I was just making the point that the current state situation of players “playing up” is highly judgmental in most cases. Mostly pushed by parents looking to claim their kid is in someway superior, yet on the field there is in reality negligible differences.

    There are of course examples of the rare shoe in national team players, but that’s an extreme exception, the rest of the kids can play their current age group and still develop.

    So if a few 2010 move to 2011 and 2011 to 2012, I don’t think in most cases that puts the current top players in 2011 or 2012 at a big disadvantage. The players struggling to maintain roster spots will likely be more heavily impacted.
     
  2. Pinerail

    Pinerail New Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    May 28, 2022
    #7852 Pinerail, Oct 25, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2024
    Kids been getting killed with a December for years now. Aug and Sept are represented some but Oct-Dec is less than 10% id bet. 2 kids. Maybe 3. Maybe 1. If you had a spreadsheet, wouldnt take long to find a team with 0.

    I know my kid is better than the league above and year below from scrimmages. I expect an exodus of 4th qtrs from nal/npl teams. No way my kid is staying if he gets a sniff. Its pretty late for him but basically a choice between u17/u19. RAE is probably at its least impactful at those ages and you can still tell the difference. Saw a scrimmage between the leagues best u17s in the region and the u19s from that club a couple weeks ago and the 19s won decisively. Strength and body type differences were noticeable even if heights were similar. They lost badly because they got outplayed but I was surprised at the u17s inability to create in the offensive half. Now a lot of that was bad coaching (not sure how a guy like that gets to that level) but I expect that will continue when Aug and Sept birthdays show up. And the Oct-Dec birthdays who were able to keep up will provide a bunch of starting midfielders to the year below.

    Great for my kid but just means late summers get screwed. Does nothing to address RAE. They really should play in 2 year brackets. Kids would get better faster. The big fast kids couldnt rely as easily cause teams would just bring in kids from the year above to even it out and the younger kids could play down sometimes to learn to trust their athleticism. The only ones that benefit from one year age groups are the clubs that want to sell that they are the "best." Wouldnt those u17s have been better off learning how to play against u19s instead of running the table against kids their year? And these are not scrubs. This is the best team, from a top club in the league and still, get them out of their element and no plan B at all. Really really hard to say this isnt the sword of damocles hanging over a new group of kids.
     
  3. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    Yup. Mine is 12/21 and the birth change killed it for her.
     
  4. napersoccer

    napersoccer New Member

    Fire
    United States
    Feb 21, 2024
    Summer birthday, so youngest on the squad once the change is implemented. Young enough that the 2017 change didn't impact us.

    It will be interesting to see if clubs get in front of this early next year and communicate there plans/expectations. The uncertainty in roster construction pre-tryouts is painful with changes like this sitting out there.
     
  5. WI Soccer Dad

    WI Soccer Dad Member

    May 2, 2022
    I saw that. Goodness this conference....

    A couple of things stand out.

    Rockfords purge of Eclipse in the u16 age bracket really really hurt Eclipse. Talk about turning around a club as a whole as well. About 4-5 girls left Eclipse for Rockford, and that team is very very good.

    Nationals are about where I thought they would be, but they are yet to play many of the top top teams in the conference. This weekend they have the KC teams. Specific to the u16s, last years runner up in the ECNL vs the runner up in the GA.

    The conference is stacked. And Minnesota hasn't even started their games yet (they start this weekend). It's a blessing and a curse for my kid. Some of these girls are ridiculous..... But what better way to learn and challenge yourself. I'm running out of motivational speeches for her after at least 4 soul crushing defeats by 1 goal while punching up.

    I would rank them as such, specifically for the u16s. KC, Michigan Hawks, SLSG, and Rockford.
     
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  6. saltysoccer

    saltysoccer Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Mar 6, 2021
    Apologies for pointing out the obvious, but this would likely be true simply because Jan-Aug spans 2/3 of the year. Add in RAE and it seems extremely likely to be true.
     
  7. saltysoccer

    saltysoccer Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Mar 6, 2021
    Based on what I seen in our region, the top 40%–50% would be mostly unaffected by year cutoff changes, but most teams have at most 2–4 players who clearly stand out and could also (meaningfully) play up.
     
  8. NotAmari

    NotAmari Member

    My Kids Teams/My FPL & Draft Teams/Crew
    United States
    Nov 1, 2022
    Ohio
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah - RAE is the driver in my perspective. The top team of my son's club has 2 August and 1 early September out of 12. Even the 2nd team only has 2 November (also out of 12).

    But others seem to be saying that's not the case everywhere.
     
  9. napersoccer

    napersoccer New Member

    Fire
    United States
    Feb 21, 2024
    #7860 napersoccer, Nov 1, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2024
    Maybe I am missing an explanation, but RAE doesn't just magically go away by switching to school year based teams, you just shift the window. Seems like a red herring.

    Most rec or park district teams already to school year based teams, so worrying about playing with friends seems like a fairly de minimis reason to switch for club level play.

    Are we just worried about the 8th and 12th graders with this fix? (Birth year cohort is split between playing HS or College).
     
  10. NotAmari

    NotAmari Member

    My Kids Teams/My FPL & Draft Teams/Crew
    United States
    Nov 1, 2022
    Ohio
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's primarily aimed at 8th and 12th graders, yeah. I don't think players/parents at the club level care otherwise. And apparently, it makes it simpler for college recruiting as well.
     
  11. illinisoccer

    illinisoccer Member

    Aug 15, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    Eclipse vs Inter results
    2011 - Eclipse 3-0
    2010 - Eclipse 3-2
    2009 - Eclipse 2-0
    2008 - Eclipse 1-0
    2006/07- 3-1 Inter
     
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  12. SouthwestSoccer107

    Fire
    United States
    Oct 15, 2023
    You missed one ECNL game:

    2012 - 2 -1 Inter
     
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  13. bigislandsoccer

    bigislandsoccer New Member

    PSG
    United States
    Mar 12, 2024
    Has anyone heard if GLSA will be getting the ECNL badge for next season? It looks like majority of their ECRL teams are doing very well, and they did well in the Heartland Cup.
     
  14. Kroad

    Kroad Member

    Apr 17, 2020
    Nobody can tell you that for sure right now. Last year they added 3 teams in February and they all came from the GA. The year prior the Inter news came out in November. And the year before that new teams were announced in March (including Rockford).

    I think most agree 1974 would be a logical add based on performance and other characteristics (fields, coaching, size). But “rumor” was that the league was holding off on further illinois expansion until Rockford and Inter are more established. Their results have been improving, but only the league knows for sure. Right now Midwest girls has 16 teams which is one of the largest division, but maybe there is room for one more team and everyone plays 16 games. My guess is they get it eventually, but not for another year or two.
     
  15. JeyeC

    JeyeC New Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Sep 11, 2024
    Hi. First post although I have been reading this thread for a bit. I have heard rumors that Elm brook United in Wi is getting ECNL R badge. That should be really interesting if true because the first teams in that club could crush the existing RL program in WI.
     
  16. BPatty

    BPatty New Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 19, 2023
    if this is true, how long would it take for EBU to get promoted to the ECNL, or is that not even possible?
     
  17. Kroad

    Kroad Member

    Apr 17, 2020
    #7868 Kroad, Nov 6, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2024
    Similar to the response on 1974 there doesn’t seem to be any defined criteria or specific pathway to promotion.

    Is it possible - sure, in the Midwest Rockford was promoted after a year and Inter after two, but that was likely in part to add more national league teams in Illinois which to that point only consisted of Eclipse.

    But as noted 1974 is still waiting 3 years on, and the Midwest division already has a lot of teams. They could of course choose to break the division in half so the size issue isn’t insurmountable.

    Additionally FC Wisconsin is sort of a mid-table club in the Midwest division so one might ask if adding another national level team in Wisconsin is dilutive vs accretive. I’m not familiar with the relative strength of EBU so don’t mean that to be inflammatory - does FC Wisconsin ECNL top team ever play EBU? If so how does it go?
     
  18. chicagosoccerparent

    Leeds
    United States
    Dec 1, 2022
    I would argue that FC Wisconsin is not even a mid-table club. I created a spreadsheet for their U15-U19 teams. U13/14 still have their spring season of games. I have uploaded the attachment here and will put something together for the fall season once games have completed (minus the MN club).
     

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  19. SouthwestSoccer107

    Fire
    United States
    Oct 15, 2023
    I’m not familiar with the club dynamics but you’d think being the only ECNL club in Milwaukee they could pick & choose the best talent. Similar to the advantage eclipse had for years in Chicago, just a smaller but still large city.

    If Cleveland and Indy can support two ECNl teams, I’m sure Milwaukee could as well. Likely just political.

    Another issue in the Midwest is two power house clubs, Hawks & SLSG holding two badges. Their second teams are at times decent , but can also be fairly weak. Those are two spots that could technically go to stronger clubs in the Midwest.
     
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  20. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    Does the talent exist to support these ECNL and GA teams in Illinois/Wisconsin? I'm sure it could if we did not have so many "flavor of the week" USYS leagues. IMO that could be an issue that needs sorting.

    GLSA/1974 deserves an ECNL spot but frankly I am surprised that FCU has not moved over to that side of the fence - I'd like to know what keeps them out. I'm so far out of Sockers that I have no idea if they could compete in the ECNL as well as they did in the past. I'm assuming that since they rarely come up in conversations anylonger that the answer to that is likely a no?

    It would be nice if the additional ECNL badges could "settle" the confusion and bring the best players to those clubs. But honestly IMO - again being far out, seems like everything has become more complex, confusing and less competitive when compared to years ago.
     
  21. RandomSoccerFan

    United States
    Sep 11, 2022
    #7872 RandomSoccerFan, Nov 6, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2024
    If anyone in WI qualifies by team strength to be in a top league, EBU is at the top of the list for girls, and not far off for boys.

    2024-11-06 09.04.05.jpg 2024-11-06 09.04.13.jpg 2024-11-06 09.04.49.jpg

    Here's FC Wisconsin:

    2024-11-06 09.14.12.jpg
     
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  22. RandomSoccerFan

    United States
    Sep 11, 2022
    Here's where GLSA sits:

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  23. WI Soccer Dad

    WI Soccer Dad Member

    May 2, 2022
    They won't.....

    Ever... Lol sorry, just trust me. Multiple reasons why.
     
  24. WI Soccer Dad

    WI Soccer Dad Member

    May 2, 2022
    Very political in the Milwaukee area. Very very difficult due to stubbornness and old habits dying hard. Milwaukee has a very specific soccer dynamic that I don't think any other city in the country has. Lots of bad blood between the clubs. Lots of bad mouthing. Very very territorial.

    FC Wisconsin is in the best shapes it's very been as a club, and it took the club about 10 years to achieve that and that's with being the only ECNL team in town for all 10 years.

    Trust, it's difficult and different.

    We as a club, at FC Wisconsin, still have come of our best players coming from Madison, and Green Bay. That's 90 minutes away, if there was area wide buy in, then yes they could pull every player in the area, but unless someone spends a million bucks and buys them all and merges, it won't happen.
     

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