Chance of MLS overrulling Stott?? [R]

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by Rsherwin, Sep 14, 2002.

  1. Rsherwin

    Rsherwin New Member

    Jun 16, 2001
    What is the chance that the MLS will look at the tape and state what the rest of us already know, Stott was wrong. Mathis didn't step on the D.C. guys head and, he had no where else to put his feet down and it wasn't intentional?

    What is the chance of MLS also saying that Howard didn't deserve a red card for his actions? (Although I would hope that this comes true more than the 1st scenario I believe that the first one has a better chance of happening.)


    Thanks
     
  2. mscheffel

    mscheffel New Member

    Jul 29, 1999
    NJ, US
    None. Watched it again. Stomp.

    Damn, I had hoped you were right.
     
  3. soccerfan220

    soccerfan220 New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    USA
    it should but won't happen. I've never seen that happen in the MLS and the Metrostars aren't having any luck at the moment. i hate to say it, but I would bet against them this weekend. GO METROS< BEAT NE!!
     
  4. jamison

    jamison Member

    Sep 25, 2000
    NYC
    in the words of the x rated magic 8 ball....


    not fvcking likely.
     
  5. The League should not overule Stott. They should give him the failing assessment that he deserves. Two such assessments in a season and you are gone. Too late to see him "sent off" this year I suspect, but giving him this one might make him sharpen up his game. He was just pathetic tonight,
     
  6. MathisFanatic13

    MathisFanatic13 New Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    New Jersey
    Stott sucks. He has done this at every game. There is no consistancy with any of the referees in this league at all. Stott hates our team. Watch any game he has done, and you can see that. Clint did deserve the card, he did "Stomp" on the guy, even though the DC player played it up. He has been aggressive lately and this time he got caught. As far as Howard,I don't know. I do think they should all be reviewed and made to make the yellow and red carding consistant. Besides that Metros must get rid of OZ! As far as the league actually doing something...don't hold your breathe!
     
  7. If Stott saw that, then why didn't he see Allegria's red card tackle from behind? That was the incompetence, and if the League is honest, they will give him his failing assessment for that. They have the technical grounds to do it. Also, what about the yellow to Diallo, that should have been Red to Prixdeaux and a Penaly for the Metro. Strike two against Stott.

    Strike Three? The call on Howard. If Stott is right on one and two then Howard did nothing wrong.

    If the League doesn't make Stott toast for screwing this match from start to finish, the League loses a lot of credibility with this fan.
     
  8. MathisFanatic13

    MathisFanatic13 New Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    New Jersey
    So true, We just watched the 93rd minute again when Howard got tossed. Stott had the card out of his pocket before Howard was on the ground. Also he only came out of the box becuase he slid out. Stott has to go. What is it with Oz waiting until then to open his mouth to the guy. Oz is just as hopeless.
     
  9. comrade

    comrade New Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Howard was the last man back, got none of the ball. There's never been a red pulled out for that, right???
    C'mon guys.

    Anyways, now we have a chance to get loud and sing Grafer to a clean sheet :)
     
  10. bukie2k

    bukie2k Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    New Jersey
    That is a patented Stott move. I sometimes believe he has his carding sequence scripted before the game even begins.
     
  11. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    That's called reaping what you sow.
     
  12. longtime fan

    longtime fan New Member

    Sep 14, 2002
    Interesting fact -- of the 6 games refereed by Stott this season -- Metrostars lost 5!
    There were three horrendously wrong calls tonight(Mathis, Diallo and Howard) -- If the bad tv coverage doesn't kill MLS the bad refereeing surely will!
     
  13. GreatQuality

    GreatQuality New Member

    Mar 12, 2001
    Club:
    Sheffield United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    If you don't think Clint Mathis stomped on Alegria and he did not deserve the red card that he was shown - get your vision checked.
    It was blatant and he deserved being sent off - end of story.
     
  14. Shabs

    Shabs Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    NYC
    I taped the game and rewatched the Mathis incident over and over. There were two possibilities:

    1-Mathis was off balance, and stepped back to keep his footing. Some might say he stepped back too hard for that, but next time youre off balnce, see how fast your foot comes down to get your balance.
    2-He stepped on him purposely.

    Im leaning towards 1, because the reverse angle clearly shows hes leaning way back offbalance when he steps down, and as soon as he does it he looks down as if in surprise that he stepped on him, and not grass. Anyone else tape this and see what I saw?
     
  15. No Spin Zone

    No Spin Zone New Member

    May 18, 2002
    Anywhere
    Thank You Shabs, finally someone talking with some rational logic instead of irrational stupidity.
     
  16. deedougie

    deedougie Member

    Jul 5, 2000
    OAK,CA
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dont know about Stott, but just watched the Quakes v. Galaxy game. Decided on a CLEAR blown offsides call on Ruiz. It was not even close. When the play started Ruiz was a clear 5 yards offside.

    The level of officiating in the MLS is just *************** period.
     
  17. BallStateMiddie

    BallStateMiddie New Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Nashvegas
    The commentators had it a little wrong on that Galaxy call. He wasn't offside on the first pass because he wasn't involved in any way in that play. He was, though, clearly offside on the second, although nowhere near 5 yards. Definitely a blown call, though, so I'm not really disagreeing with you.

    As far as the Mathis call, I think to be fair, it could have gone either way, and to crucify Stott because of making that decision is a little harsh in my book. It had to be a clear yellow, and if Stott thought he did it on purpose (which certainly could have been the case), it was a no-brainer red. I think I would have gone with the yellow, but I can't really fault him for pulling the red.

    Finally, the level of officiating in the WORLD is just sh!te lately. It bothers me when people go on about the officiating in the league when you have guys like this Ecuadorian goon running around. Until FIFA starts paying their refs like they should, or we find a way to clone Pierluigi Collina, we're SOL. Just please stop implying that it's only us...
     
  18. Shabs

    Shabs Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    NYC
    I agree. It all happened very quick. No matter what card he gave Mathis though, he should have given Allegria AT LEAST a yellow the way he went in on the tackle.
     
  19. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I'm an LA Fan, don't want to cause any trouble, just wanted to lend my view after watching the videos your fellow metrofan posted. That was definatley a stomp, if you watcht he video, the 2nd time they show it makes it clear as day, he lifts his foot up higher, the drives it down. I wish JP was the announcer all MLS games, i'm jealous.
     
  20. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Takoma Park, MD
    Metro fans are so cute.

    Dumb, but cute.
     
  21. Sir Ek

    Sir Ek Member

    Sep 5, 2001
    Here's another vote for Mathis being off-balance because of the tackle and un-intentionally stepping on Allegria. Here's another reason to believe this is the case: Mathis rarely, if ever, retaliates against an opponent in that fashion. Diallo has that rep, but not Mathis.

    As for Howard, it was definitely close and probably could have warranted the red.

    As for Stott... well... there's nothing nice I can say about him. I've never liked him as a referee and I firmly believe he has it out for the Metros as has been shown over and over again. He's inconsistent with his calls and seems to call against the Metros ever chance he gets. A referee should not influence the game, but I can't help but feel he does.
     
  22. mscheffel

    mscheffel New Member

    Jul 29, 1999
    NJ, US
    You know, this is all pretty pointless. Complain all you want about the ref (who wasn't 1/50th as bad as the one Thursday), but it is the MetroStars that got to the point they needed to win this one. It was the Metrostars that tanked it thursday. It was the MetroStars, arguably among the most talented in the league, that continue to put this crap out on the field.
     
  23. Sweeper

    Sweeper New Member

    Feb 11, 1999
    Clint raised his leg to stomp down, there was no loss of balance. His play the past few games has been thuggish, he is a true punk. I am embarassed when he puts on the Metro kit and acts like that.

    And people seem to be forgetting the rules of the game, Timmy's challenge may not have been malicous, but it was reckless. Definitely red card worthy.

    In some instances, we have gotten screwed (the Chicago game at the beginning of the year when Ramos got tossed for example), but tonight we had our just deserts. Kudos to Jolley, Petke and the others who battled for ninety minutes in awful conditions.
     
  24. RushOnze

    RushOnze New Member

    May 16, 2001
    Colorado
    here is what Zambrano says about the Clint Red CArd, I think it is clear, but you Metrofans are looking for someone to blame for the poor product you keep puttiing on the field. It aint Stott.


    "I didn't go out to deliberately hurt him," said Mathis of his red card offense. "I was off balance and I stepped on him. It's just disappointing to know I'm not going to be able to play in our most important game. I feel like I let my team down."

    Metros coach Octavio Zambrano wasn't buying Mathis' explanation and called his player's red card a deserved one that cost the Metros a victory.

    "What makes that situation worse is that we addressed this very issue this week," said Zambrano, referring to Mathis' temper. "He cannot afford to be involved in plays like that and it is something we must address in the off-season."
     
  25. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    On the tape, it's looking like Clint says he "didn't know" that Alegria was underneath him before the stomp. That despite the fact that Mathis was looking down, had just been tackled from behind, and that Alegria was still touching his other leg.

    Sigh.

    Don't worry, we definitely won't need our two best players in an almost do-or-die game.
     

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