Champions of Europe - Pre-Season Thread 2019 [R]

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  1. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
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    United States
    It's like the Real Madrid - Atletico game - after the first goal went in - we packed it and basically went into cruise control. Pretty embarrassing.
     
  2. SamScouse

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    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    Liverpool FC
    our next 4 subs coning on, looks like the average age is 12. :)

    includes Duncan and the kid we signed yesterday.
     
  3. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    Liverpool FC
    have we scored a goal yet while wearing this new black kit?
     
  4. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    my mistake, RB not LB for Gomez. Hoever at LB.
     
  5. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    Brewster nice turn and shot, blocked, a sign of life in the 89th minute.

    Wilson great shot, great save.

    Gomez good shot, another good save.
     
  6. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    Liverpool FC
    FT bollocks football.

    one team looked like the champs of europe. it wasn't us.
     
  7. Lemmyfaith

    Lemmyfaith Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    Liverpool FC
    Should we be worried?
     
  8. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
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    United States
    No.
     
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  9. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
    Oxford
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    Liverpool FC
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    England
    Indeed, no. This is pre-season and just an opportunity for us to overreact.

    We’ll probably lose to City but that’s not going to define our season.
     
  10. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    The 3 people in the row behind the dugout were next.
     
  11. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    We got a hard-earned, just about deserved, zero goals in that game. Luckily.
     
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  12. Suss

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    Aug 11, 2003
    New York
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    This has been the preseason game in recent times where we hit form. We had some big wins over Barcelona, Bayern Munich, and last season Napoli. Today’s match was nothing like that.

    The last 30 minutes (when all the subs came on) was way better than the first 60. If Salah and Firmino aren’t available against City, I hope Klopp has a better solution up front than the front 3 we saw today. Ox is not great in the front 3, and we also miss what he offers in midfield.

    Allison will make a big difference at the back, but our defense needs to pull it together. That was our first choice back four and midfield and we were all over the place.
     
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  13. burning247

    burning247 Member+

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    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
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    Liverpool FC
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    England
    Everyone still sure Ox is going to "feel like a new signing?"

    Should we be concerned that our defense (consisting of mostly starters) has shipped in 10 goals since the Dortmund game?
     
  14. newterp

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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
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    United States
    No.
     
  15. burning247

    burning247 Member+

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    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
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    England
    Cool.
     
  16. StiltonFC

    StiltonFC He said to only look up -- Guster

    Mar 18, 2007
    SoCal
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    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll be worried if Liverpool doesn't lead Norwich 2-0 at the half. It's early days. Missing most of the attacking players puts a whole bleedin' lot of pressure on a defense.
     
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  17. SamScouse

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    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    #342 SamScouse, Jul 28, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2019
    today we had our CL Final starting back 4 -- who defended like a pub team.

    today we had a midfield 4 who started a ton of games together last year - and played like they'd never seen each other before.

    up front, Ox and Origi accomplished zero. zero. neither of them beat a defender even once and between them created not a single chance.

    Napoli were well organized, played neat quick football, cut us to pieces often and could quite easily have scored 5 or even more.

    we had no rhythm, no stability, no understanding. nothing.

    their goalie had literally - literally - eff-all to do until the last 3-4 minutes.

    the season starts in less than 2 weeks.

    worry? what's to worry about?
     
  18. SamScouse

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    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    today he did look like a new player - but in this case, a player new to the game .....
     
  19. idreamofpikas

    idreamofpikas Member+

    May 22, 2009
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    Liverpool FC
    Yes, given he played a handul of minutes in the league last season and was unavailable to be picked for 98% of the season.

    The phrase used by Klopp is pretty common players out on loan or missing the previous season are often referred to in that manner. We have a very, vry good option we did not have last season, in effect like a new signing.

    In the opening 20 minutes he layed on a beaut thay Milner was not able to put away but the entire team was blindsided but the defence having a 'mare.



    We did. VVD and TAA returned to training much later than the rest of the squad and it shows, they are still focusing on their fitness. The travel back and fourth to US was not great for them getting back up to speed.


    We'd never really played this way before. At times it was a 4-4-2, 4-3-3 and 4-2-2-2. These guys may have played together before, but they've never player a competitive game with no Salah, Mane or Firminho.

    As such we had multiple times Ox backtracking like he was a deep midfielder instead of the attacker he was, we had Milner and Henderson constantly taking up similar areas of the pitch.

    It was a poor game, but this is what friendlies are, Klopp is getting ready for next week's City game.

    Well that is wrong.Milner should have scored from Ox's incredible through-ball.

    Origi did OK, but it is clear that he was playing in a 4-3-3 and the midfield players who were meant to be supporting were not clear on their roles.

    The summer tournaments and the US tour have took a toll to our preseason, it also has not helped that every decent team is more motivated beating the current Champions League holders than they normally would be in a friendly.

    I'm sure there would be a lot more confidence in our team if our last two games were against Kitchee SC and Yokohama, like City's were, but we instead have picked decent teams to play against for a start to the campaign.
     
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  20. speker

    speker Member+

    May 16, 2009
    Canada
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    Liverpool FC
    Yep, I think the US tour has taken a bit of a toll on the squad . Rather than being an effective way to quickly achieve fitness for the squad the compressed nature of the tour ie three games in a week combined with the travel , times zones and horrendously hot weather has drained the energy from the players.
    They looked baffed out today , didn't press well , passed poorly , no tempo to the game etc .
     
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  21. canucksh

    canucksh Member

    Jun 2, 2015
    As with every preseason Klopp's main focus is on fitness. He had the team doing multiple sessions the day before the US games and a session the morning of the games. That takes a lot out of a team. Add the heat and the travel and I'm not surprised the team is looking lethargic.
     
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  22. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
    Oxford
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    Liverpool FC
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    England
    I think, with hindsight and not disparaging the USA-based fans (who probably felt a bit short-changed themselves, anyway) this is a tour we could have done without making. But these tours are arranged well in advance, I suppose.
     
  23. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    Suspect the $$s had a outsized effect.
     
  24. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
    Oxford
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    Liverpool FC
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    England
    Yeah, unfortunately.
     
  25. Suss

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    Aug 11, 2003
    New York
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    Liverpool FC
    Another factor is that everyone else’s season ended 3 weeks before ours. While Liverpool and Tottenham were preparing for the biggest game of their lives, a lot of our rivals were already on break. Those 3 weeks are a longer break than Mane is getting in total this summer.

    We also had 4 out of our 5 best players participating in major tournaments. I doubt the African Cup or Nations and Copa America has as great of an impact on any other club in Europe.
     
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