PBP: Champions League: Matchday 3: Chelsea v. Ajax

Discussion in 'Chelsea' started by Brock Hannsen, Oct 22, 2019.

  1. Blueallthru

    Blueallthru Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    May 15, 2012
    The Interwebz
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I had the same thought. Another apt description.
     
  2. Blueallthru

    Blueallthru Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    May 15, 2012
    The Interwebz
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Right back so he doesn't have to pick Dest.
     
  3. limpidrock

    limpidrock Member

    Mar 19, 2008
    Great commitment and effort from the boys. Remember, we are still a team in transition. I would have been happy with a draw but the win just made my day.

    Ajax paid for their 100km/h start and faded in the second half.

    I really like how Frank is mixing it up.
     
  4. Rman3349

    Rman3349 Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Oct 31, 2006
    Boston
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Oh yeah, not a knock on you. This is the way its done universally! Even in FM, players start the game with a 6.4 :rolleyes:

    The way 5s are used typically is to denote a very poor performance, which I think is harsh for CHO in this game. But not taking anything away from you specifically for using a system that everyone uses.

    But its a dumb system, is all I'm saying :D
     
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  5. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Good game by just about everybody! Twice as many shots at goal as 'them' and as an away team it makes it a deserved victory for me - Dave was IMMENSE!
     
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  6. Rman3349

    Rman3349 Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Oct 31, 2006
    Boston
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Now that I'm thinking about player ratings, I can't help but wonder: What ever happened to Brock's breakfast food ratings? Maybe my favorite schtick ever on this board
     
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  7. Yahtzee

    Yahtzee Member+

    Nov 4, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Intelligent subs, continues to tailor play against the opposition well. Only time I've felt critical of him are the United game and dropping Pul and both of those things are distant memories now. KTBFFH
     
  8. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    So first loss to Ajax in all competitions this year and first clean sheet at their grounds.
     
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  9. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    CHO started quite poorly but got better and had sone good moments as the game went on.

    But it definitely wasn't his best game... not by a long shot
     
  10. lobomojo

    lobomojo Member+

    Chelsea, Gillingham
    Jul 17, 2004
    Freedom
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Lille with a great goal late point to help us
     
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  11. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Batsman scores, assist by you-know-who and who got the 'hockey assist'?
     
  12. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
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  13. Clan

    Clan Member

    Apr 23, 2002
    Timing wasn't good for me, missed the bloody game.

    Looks like we did okay :D

    Doesn't change the status of the next one as "must win" though.

    That Yank made "something happen" again...:)
     
  14. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Er... was it me?

    It was me, wasn't it :)

    Was it?
     
  15. Clan

    Clan Member

    Apr 23, 2002

    Had to be Alonso...opened his legs and let the ball through...or is that a basketball assist?
    Is there such a thing as a basketball assist?
    Serious question.
    (c'mon plonker, let us know)
     
  16. Kerry Dixon's Boots

    Staff Member

    Jun 6, 2006
    77 degrees
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Cant argue with the photographic evidence

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  17. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More like pornographic
     
  18. DutchFanatic

    DutchFanatic Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Dec 23, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    #143 DutchFanatic, Oct 24, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2019
    I am surprised to read the British papers waxing lyrical about Chelsea yesterday. Especially considering that Ajax had a goal wrongly called off and hit the post! No mention of that anywhere from a British source. The Dutch reports are quite critical of Ajax (who didn't play up to their normal standard) but definitely considered it an even game. A draw would have been the fair result, but the stolen goal changed everything.

    The offside call was royally ********ed up. The line was pulled at the wrong moment when the ball was already off Ziyech's foot. With it being as close as it was there is simply no way they could no with certainty he was offside. The moment the frame was taken plus the angle of the camera simply makes way too much difference. It is entirely 50/50 and with so much doubt it absolutely should have stood! Look at the frame freezes and the angle of the camera (see the 16 meter box line as reference).

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    This one showing the 'freeze' was not done correctly


    Ajax was truly shafted. The entire game would have been different if that goal counted. We'll obviously never know what would have happened but it would have been an entirely different game with advantage to Ajax.

    As we know, shit happens and every team gets ********ed over by bad ref decisions at times... but this has to be talked about. The radio silence from British sports tabloids and analysts irritates me. VAR still has so many problems and to create a fair game we need to be critical of its mistakes.

    To quote a certain famous player, "it's a ********ing disgrace!"

    No hate towards you guys, Chelsea played well enough and it was an even match. But I definitely feel aggrieved about the ref decision as it influenced the game so significantly that we cannot say that Chelsea won fairly. If I am this irritated about it I think the Ajax players will be livid. Read some quotes from Van de Beek already who agreed that Ajax was robbed. We should have been almost guaranteed of progression in the group and now it's still totally open. Hopefully this will light a fire under Ajax and they will play with a chip on their shoulder for the second match against Chelsea, because that is when Ajax performs best.
     
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  19. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Nah, you're thinking of the old British tv commentator, David Coleman, talking about Alberto Juantorena, (IIRC), in the Olympics back in the 70's. The guy had won a gold medal and Coleman was trying to explain he'd done it by lengthening his stride but explained it by saying...

    'The big Cuban opened his legs and showed his class'
     
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  20. DutchFanatic

    DutchFanatic Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Dec 23, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    beIN Sports also putting up a post.


    As you can see in the first picture where the decision was based upon Promes' right foot is in front and the ball is already significantly off Ziyech's foot.

    Whereas in the actual correct moment Promes' right foot is approximately next to his left foot still in the motion of the swing. This makes all the difference when the decision is being made based on centimeters! What a ridiculous error by the VAR to base their decision on the wrong frame grab!

    There needs to be transparency from the VAR for this. They need to show the frame grab they used to make this decision or they need to admit to their mistake. How can the VAR make this decision confidently in less than 1 minute?

    Obviously we will hear nothing and this will snow over like it always does... but there really needs to be way more transparency from the VAR. Ajax was robbed.
     
  21. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Understandable but, as you say, we've had some rough justice in the past.

    In fact, if you talk to most chels supporters, they'll tell you that we must be one of the few major clubs that get 50/50 calls given against us at home. It's like reverse 'homer' decisions.

    Anyway, bad luck dude. See you in the next one :)
     
  22. DutchFanatic

    DutchFanatic Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Dec 23, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Absolutely, which is why I don't feel any irritation towards Chelsea over this issue. Every team gets robbed sometimes, as an Ajax fan I will personally never forget this moment: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...x-want-probe-Lyons-7-1-win-Dinamo-Zagreb.html.

    But I do feel a lot of irritation towards the system. VAR is supposed to help and instead it completely robbed Ajax. I want a fair game for all teams and VAR is supposed to provide that but with terrible decisions like this it simply does the opposite. There has to be criticism on bad decisions and transparency from the VAR about why decisions were made and based on what evidence. If this situation had been made against Chelsea I am 100% sure the British sports media would be livid and this discussion would be everywhere online. Now it's total radio silence.
     
  23. Serengeti_Boy

    Serengeti_Boy Member+

    Sep 15, 2009
    Serengeti, East Africa
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Tanzania
    Will he start vs Burnley. Asking for my fantasy team hehe
     
  24. DutchFanatic

    DutchFanatic Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Dec 23, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    This from a British source in video which clearly shows the mistake.

    https://www.voetbalzone.nl/videos.asp?uid=52169&cat=voetbalzone

    Marcel Desailly, ambassador to Fifa says he will take the video to Fifa to discuss this situation and reduce the chance of a similar wrong decision happening in the future. That is what needs to happen. Now a statement from UEFA please?
     
  25. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    My guess would be yes but I wouldn't put any money on it.
     

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