Cha Bum-Kun and Hong Myung-Bo

Discussion in 'Asian Football Confederation' started by holgers_heroes, Aug 6, 2002.

  1. holgers_heroes

    Jul 25, 2000
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Where do they stand in terms of world footballing history? Is Hong Myung-Bo among the top 20 greatest defenders in history, or more like top 50, or not even top 100? What about Cha Bum-Kun? Would you consider Hong Myung-Bo to be better than Cha Bum-Kun, or vice versa?
     
  2. oakydoaks

    oakydoaks New Member

    Apr 29, 2002
    Denver, CO

    Cha Bum in top 50, Hong in top 100.

    Hong should be around 60 ~ 70
     
  3. Korean Football

    Korean Football New Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    U.S.
    good point.

    Hong might be in the all-time top-20 greatest defenders in history. Hong is especially good at leading and organizing the team apart from his physical abilibties. Or..Top-30~40 would be more realistic.

    As for Cha, yes Cha is definately ahead of Hong IMO.

    Cha has:

    1.brought 2 UEFA Cups to 2 different Bundesligan teams. Became the MVPs on both of them.

    2. became the MVP of the Bundesliga. (Bundesliga back then was one of the best leagues in the world if not the best)

    3. holds the record for most games played by a foreigner in the Bundesliga

    4. Held the record for most goals scored by a foreigner until 1999. (so he's second place now)

    5. Won the Asian Player of the Century

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    So it'll be tough for Hong to beat the above although he got something Cha couldn't; The Bronze Ball Award from the World Cup stage
     
  4. oakydoaks

    oakydoaks New Member

    Apr 29, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Re: Cha Bum-Kun and Hong Myung-Bo

    I'm curious if Hong will be a candidate for the Asian Player of the Century by the end of 21st century (yep we are talking future!)
    He's technically 21st century player.
     
  5. Korean Football

    Korean Football New Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    U.S.
    Re: Re: Re: Cha Bum-Kun and Hong Myung-Bo

    who knows? maybe they'll just look at what Hong did at 2002 and decide? :D
     
  6. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hong - top 100 defenders in history. Possibly top 50. There have been a lot of great defenders over the years.

    Cha - top 50 strikers in history. Possibly top 20.
     
  7. oakydoaks

    oakydoaks New Member

    Apr 29, 2002
    Denver, CO
    I said Cha in top 50 and Hong in top 100 in terms of all the football players. Not just striker or defender. So although the numbers I gave might suggest I underrated Cha and Hong than anyone else, I did not :)
     
  8. HwarangDo

    HwarangDo New Member

    Jun 5, 2002
    Greatest Asian Players
    1. Cha Bum-Kun
    2. Hong Myung-Bo

    The rest are far behind
     
  9. junjunforever

    junjunforever Member

    Feb 18, 2002
    it one of the highly rated british magazines (i forgot which), Cha was selected as the top 100 footballers. if they chose 30 forward, 30, midfield, 30 defense and 10 keepers, he naturally made the top 30.
     
  10. holgers_heroes

    Jul 25, 2000
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Interesting stuff. Do you think Song Chong-Guk, Cha Du-Ri, or even that youngster Jung Jo-Guk has a chance to equal the feats of the two greats?

    And for the Japanese fans, are there any young Japanese guns who have the potential to be great?
     
  11. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    I think Song Jong-guk will be better than Hong. As with the others..we'll have to see..
     
  12. oakydoaks

    oakydoaks New Member

    Apr 29, 2002
    Denver, CO
    although he's not young, I think Nakata can be if he keeps doing what he's been doing.
     
  13. Chachi King

    Chachi King New Member

    Mar 14, 2002
    Hong = Best player never to play in Europe????

    Discuss.
     
  14. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pele never played in Europe. Hong is certainly one of the top ten players never to play in Europe though...
     
  15. Korean Football

    Korean Football New Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    U.S.
    I admit Song is really good, but let's not forget that Hong first went to the World Cup when he was 19...and he STARTED for the nats at the World Cup at age 19.
     
  16. Korean Football

    Korean Football New Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    U.S.
    I agree.
     
  17. Seoul Man

    Seoul Man Member

    Sep 17, 2001
    World Wide Web
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Cha (senior) was one of the best strikers and pure goal scorers in his prime - for one or two years, he was arguably the best in the world. He deserves recognition as one of the best 50 ever.

    Hong, as much as I like him and respect his accomplishments, was/is not at the level of Cha. He is a great leader and field general, with dangerous offensive skills in his prime - every Korean fan remembers his brilliant goal in the World Cup finals 1994. Unfortunately, he was also on the pitch for some of the biggest losses suffered by Korea in recent times. Some that come to mind are the Asian Cup 96 meltdown to Iran (2-6, after being up 2-1 at HT), WC 98 disaster against Holland (0-5), Confederations Cup 01 loss to France (0-5), and friendly loss to Czech in 01 (0-5; note - not sure if he played in this one). One man cannot be blamed entirely for the meltdown of an entire team, but at the same time, he was the leader who could not inspire or organize his team in these important matches. So to me, Hong Myung-bo is a very good player, but not good enough to be considered top 100 in the world.
     

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