CBA Updates & Discussion

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  1. futbol monkey

    futbol monkey Member

    Dec 12, 2007
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Ives is reporting that Ljungberg has received assurances that there will be no work stoppage on Feb. 1. I may be reading too much into that statement but to me it sounds like a new CBA will be agreed upon by the end of the month.

    Since it's only a matter of days before the new CBA is finalized, I thought I'd start this thread as a place to discuss any updates we hear about the new CBA and how it affects our Quakes.
     
  2. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    Hopefully all goes well and the season starts on time.

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :(


    -G
     
  3. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    I think we may operate for a brief period without a formal CBA, but an understanding between owners and players to continue preseason while the last details are hammered out. I think what the Ljunberg thing really tells us is that the chances of an actual lockout/strike are low.
     
  4. KMJvet

    KMJvet Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 26, 2001
    Quake Country
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    I think Ljunberg just thinks the MLS pre-season is too long and he didn't want to be a part of it really. He think he's above needing to arrive in camp on time. And he's still hoping for a Euro loan like Donovans. And he's a wanker so he blew off coming home in time using the CBA situation as a lame excuse. And then he was getting bad press so he blamed his agent and miscommunication. And now he's just trying to build himself up into something special by implying he's so valuable to the league that they had to give him insider information about the progress to lure their valuable asset back. Oh brother. Once a wanker, always a wanker.
     
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  5. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates


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    Is this Ljungberg? "Frank, we're gonna need to go ahead and move you downstairs into storage B. We have some new people coming in, and we need all the space we can get. So if you could just go ahead and pack up your stuff and move it down there, that would be terrific, OK?
     
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  6. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    Indeed. If the owners are saying they won't lockout they've pretty much eliminated any chance of their taking a hard stance and that they are happy with where the negotiations are going. It pretty much leaves a strike as the only outside possibility, but even that I doubt we'd see since the players are undoubtedly in the weaker negotiating position in MLS.
     
  7. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    I think any time you have two sides far apart, both are going to blow smoke about lockout/strike, whatever. But when you look at the fundamentals for players and owners, it was obvious a real work stoppage was suicidal. I think once you get down to it, they would sit down and work something out.
     
  8. doppelganger

    doppelganger Member

    Jul 6, 2001
    santa cruz, ca
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    when Freddy shows up to camp, will he show his "oh" face?
     
  9. futbol monkey

    futbol monkey Member

    Dec 12, 2007
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    Ives is reporting that working for a period without a new CBA is definitely a possibility but neither side wants that to happen.

    http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_...or-talks-continue-as-deadline-looms.html#more

    I think that the owners were in a much stronger position when the original CBA was agreed upon but the league's success and growth actually is working against the owners. When the league started, the goal was to survive and thus owners could use that as the excuse on why they could not offer players what other leagues provide their players. With all of the expansion the league has experienced and the growth it's planning, it's hard for the owners to use the same excuse. Although that's not stopping them from the comments made by Garber in the FFF superdraft episode where he said that the current model needs to continue in order for the league to keep growing. He did conceded that some changes need to be made in order for the league to be more competitive with leagues around the world which to me means increasing the salary cap. But I think the big sticking point is free agency. I don't think we'll get rid of the single entity model anytime soon but maybe we'll get rid of that silly league rule where a club still owns the rights to a player even after their contract has expired. I'm on the players side on this one.
     
  10. Hawkeye17

    Hawkeye17 DynaChick v QuakeBabe v WildKate v Chewie23

    Aug 25, 1999
    Miami Vice 82
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    It's only because he played for the enemy of your fave team... starts with "A"... ;) ;)

    ----
    Kidding aside, if there's some ironing out that needs to be made both sides need to do it soon. It's coming down to the wire and if both see progress I'll say they'll keep going. I don't think the players will be locked out but if there's something to the effect that there's no progress then I would expect the worst-case scenario. Especially since this is a World Cup year--both sides want to look good.
     
  11. futbol monkey

    futbol monkey Member

    Dec 12, 2007
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
  12. DotMPP

    DotMPP 'Quakes fan in Stumptown

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jun 29, 2004
    Portland, OR
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    F.Y.P.

    This is annoying and gives me about as much confidence in a settlement as ground breaking for a practice field does towards construction of a new stadium...
     
  13. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    They would not carry on negotiating if they didn't think they could reach agreement. I think this means that they are close, that both sides realize that a work stoppage, even in pre-season would really hurt the league, so they'll work it out.

    I also think that Wolff spending some cash on a practice facility for the team means that he expects to build a soccer stadium. (I also think it means that he got some bucks out of Amway for it. Which means that he's clever too!)

    Go Quakes!! :D
    Train like Winners!!

    - Mark
     
  14. DotMPP

    DotMPP 'Quakes fan in Stumptown

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jun 29, 2004
    Portland, OR
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    This is why I was annoyed and still have little confidence in a settlement. These three items are deal breakers. I think the players should give up on the clubs doing their own contracts and MLS should give up on free agency and guaranteed player contracts.
     
  15. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    I agree. If the league were to give up single-entity, it would kill the league financially within a few years. If it didn't, we'd end up with a league like the EPL where the rich teams are always at or near the top of the table, and the poor teams suck. (See Soccernomics on this.)

    The league could give ground on free agency in several important regards that I'm sure would mollify the union. For example, when a team cuts, waives, or does not resign a player (like us with ROB), then that player becomes a free agent. Plain and simple. But, if a team does try to resign a player at the same or higher salary, then if they cannot come to an agreement, they should get some form of compensation, minimal, but something. On the guaranteed contracts, I think that some sort of compromise will be necessary, but I'm not sure how that looks.

    In any case, most of these folks are smart and they'll figure it out.

    Go Quakes!! :D

    - Mark
     
  16. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    Well you might get the first and second things you list... guaranteed contracts, probably not.
     
  17. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    A couple of ideas on guaranteeing contracts. Players can get full salary for the year at earlier dates than currently specified. For multi-year contracts, the first year or two could be guaranteed. There are compromises.

    My fervent hope, however, is MLS figures a way to let some teams work around the hard cap - say to resign young players. Or for richer clubs to dig into their own pockets and pay for high-priced talent (paying a tax along the way to subsidize teams like the Quakes that don't have huge revenue streams).
     
  18. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    Saw that one coming when they got stuck at the airport last night.
     
  20. UrawaRed

    UrawaRed New Member

    Dec 19, 2000
    Kiyose, Tokyo
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    They'll continue to negotiate until October.
     
  21. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    "Three to six months". Or my favorite ambiguous, non-committal, leave yourself plenty of room to flake, "sooner rather than later".
     
  22. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: [SQR] New CBA Updates

    This means that MLS expects to reach a compromise, whereas the Players Union may or may not think that they can reach a compromise, but the closer it gets to first kick, the more bargaining power the players have. Or, the more they think they have.

    I sure hope that they settle this, soon, and that both sides are reasonably happy. If they don't, it's going to be the fans that get hurt the worst.

    Go Quakes!! :D
    Negotiate like rational people!!

    - Mark
     
  23. SJtotalfootball

    May 26, 2004
    The Hayward Fault
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 2010 Preseason Catch-all thread

    No, because it was on twitter ;)

    http://twitter.com/JosephRCannon
     
  24. chilitownpontiff

    Jul 14, 2008
    San Ramon
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. RobsterCraw

    RobsterCraw Member

    Mar 28, 2008
    Re: 2010 Preseason Catch-all thread

    Glass half empty: Players on strike, come opening day, no matches and maybe the league's progress is set back 5-10 years.

    Glass half full: Quakes do not record a loss on opening day! Jason fit for start of season (in August).
     

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