Carlos Bocanegra to Man City or West Ham?

He will be in Europe after the break for sure, I am guessing England, and a work permit won't be a problem for him (# of caps).
Spain and Italy don't have any interest in our players, I have noticed in the last few years.
England is the only big Euro league willing to take a chance on American players, Germany use to be have also lost some interest, I am not talking about unknown players on the cheap.

 

And you don't need me to say it, MLS and the Fire will lose much if they lose Bocanegra.

I'm not saying there's anything to be done about it, or even whether or not they find it desirable, but Boca is to American soccer an asset beyond transfer fees.

 

you do realize that he will continue to play for the u.s.... right?

let the man go... he deserves it... he's earned it

it's his time... the fire will keep on without him... sure it will hurt, but we it's not like we don't have options

 

But not in the MLS, which is really all that matters to me outside of winning a World Cup. I wouldn't be watching the national team if I never caught onto MLS. It is all the lesser without Bocanegra.

I'm sure he does, but that shouldn't stop me from saying that it will hurt the league. And it will.

 

Will the Fire get an allocation if he leaves?

 

right

mls will get better by retaining everyone they have now... so no one else gets in the league


think logically for once

 

Fine, but in return I want you to use punctuation.

MLS is not a farm league, nor should it be. And if it is, what is the point of watching it?

 

how will it hurt the league?


let's think about it


hmmm... bocanegra goes to play for another team


might it be

oh... good players in mls... let's get more (re: higher future transfer fees)
oh... fire have lower team salary cap and can use the money to pay their players better and go after young, cheap, talented new guy... say we get chad marshall (not happening)
oh... bocanegra gets to make a better living doing what he loves
oh... bocanegra goes up against tougher competition every day in practice and twice on gamedays... making him a better player for national team duty
oh... you might want to rethink your poor me attitude

 

why

i don't use it when i speak... do you?

 

I don't need to explain, seeing as how you admitted as much in your first post. Takes care of the work for me quite nicely, thank you.

 

Probably don't even use proper sentence structure, I'd imagine.

 

that will get you far

 

When I score points without really trying, it does.

 

why should i?

most of speaking is conversational english... in which sentences are just too damn formal


but keep getting off the topic... great way of proving your point

 

You keep following me. It's not my fault.

 

hardly

so let's review


bocanegra leaving mls will make the play in mls suffer

you mean to state that mls losing some of it's better players will make the quality of the league suffer

just as it did when stern john, eddie lewis, brad friedel, joe-max moore and tim howard all left (note the sarcasm)


in addition, you haven't accepted the fact that this is how soccer works the world over (save mexico, where their talent stays in mexico)

the best belong where the best play... hell, we can't afford to give boca the type of money that he deserves... or the competition in games or practices to get him to where he can be

but because he has left... we have money to spend on the team at present... which was really good this year and really deserving of some raises

raises get dished out, we have money to spend on an extra player... possibly even an allocation to defer some of that cost and improve the quality of said player

someone else gets playing time and improves because boca isn't on the fire... it's only natural that him being gone leads to a new starter... this guy tries to show he is the next boca and is put into chances where he can possibly shine

in addition, an extra player will get quality minutes on the bench... as most likely gray has moved to a full time starter (or pause)... another player to prove he is ready for the next level and possibly more

what else does it mean?

another mls player gets a chance in europe... this means that if he shines, he will cast a favorable light on mls from all those that see him

they will more likely to look for another jewel on the cheap in the u.s.... but this would mean more transfer fees for us... which we can use to bring in better talent and to pay our players more... things that are great for u.s. soccer... keeps guys like casey schmidt from retiring (remember him... the guy who had 15 or so preseason goals last year and is pretty set on hanging up his cleats because the money isn't in it right now and without playing time at that pay... it's not worth it in his eye)

so incoming transfer fees improve the quality of play in mls... losing guys like boca allows new guys to show their worth, say they have it for this level and more... our national team grows... mls grows

everyone but you win out... what can we do for you??? would you like a big mac?

would that make you happy?

 

i should probably also mention that allowing this to happen creates a better mls because guys like chad marshall are willing to sign with mls... they see that the league gives them a place to get playing time earlier in their career so that they are ready sooner for the big time... instead of going to the big time teams and then staying hid for years (assuming worst case scenario)

he sees boca and beasley getting their licks abroad and sees that he too can do the same through mls

not despite mls

and this improves mls because he comes here instead of opting for europe first

 

so where is your logic on how it's possibly harmful to mls to lose bocanegra???

 

Chicken tenders. And for you to capitalize.

But failing that...

I have accepted that this is how soccer works around the world. You haven't quite connected how soccer works in America, but in any case...your implication that MLS is just one part of the global soccer community further implies reciprocity. There is none. Why are we giving up our marquee talent during their prime when we mainly get "veterans" and general retirees?

Then you go to this "we get more respect" drivel. No, we get more scouts coming by to swipe our talent. How many more Brits are watching MLS on a regular basis or would like to do so because of the Americans we've sent there? If I require more than my fingers and toes to count I'd be surprised.

And frankly, if it's just plain going to be accepted that the best play among the best, then I need you to accept that MLS will never be more than what it is now.

Seeing bright, shining new stars in the domestic league is fine, but if MLS is or should be a revolving door, at least admit it and admit that it won't change under your way of thinking.

I'm a fan. As a fan, there's nothing wrong with being selfish. I want to see the stars of the league play here. Whether that's likely or not is an argument I know I'll probably lose, but let's call things the way they are first before we get to the next problem.

 

Because the league doesn't benefit from it, and who's to say it won't be a mass evacuation of our best players a couple of seasons down the road unless the league puts its foot down somewhere?

Credibility is fine to have, but it don't buy me anything unless more people are watching these games. And I don't know why I would be more likely to watch a particular MLS game if it appears to me that some reasonable expectation of quality is not going to met.

Will our players get better playing abroad? Perhaps, perhaps not. Soccer players at the professional level get better by playing more games, is my thought about it. But in the meantime, they're not raising the standard among the domestic player pool at home.

Why not have a quality league that will draw millions of fans every year instead of working towards a World Cup that's only held every four years?

All the more reason to work on it here, than leverage what finite talent we have.

So MLS is a farm league then? Wonderful.

It's not good to set ambitions? Outstanding.

 

do you watch mls?

do you pay attention to who is in mls?

do you pay attention to their player moves in the last couple of years?


i have

• ronnie o'brien
• carlos ruiz
• damani ralph
• jonathan bolanos
• amado guevara
• john spencer
• zizi roberts
• joselito vaca
• shalrie joseph
• hung myong-bo (off the Bronze Boot)
• ryan nelson

mls has scouted foreigners from the college ranks and elsewhere

 

Hong is retiring after his run in MLS. Probably the same with Spencer. While their contributions are commendable, they are hardly in their prime. We are sure to lose Ruiz, because on top of him, there are three or four more in this list that will most likely make MLS a revolving door out to the "top leagues."

 

wtf is wrong with getting a guy that just won the third best player award at the time's just happened world cup??????


and spencer came here in his prime