Carlitos' Way...out?

I'd love to see him at Old Trafford, but unfortunately he will just be using our name to make a point. Being WC year, he will want a move to help secure his place. The only good thing is Jose and Roman probably had heart attacks...

 

that so funny how he wears a ManU shirt thn says he wears what Nike sends him, that was classic, nice one Tevez

 

TP,

I feel that this was just frustration boiling over on Carlitos' part. Imvho he's one of the most skilled young players of the moment. I've enjoyed tremendously his play at Boca and frankly wish him the best at Corinthians. I think it's he losing that's getting to him. Like his idol, Diegito, he too is a volatile player. El Apache will be ok. As for the Manutd windbreaker I agree it was in bad form.

 

Agreed.It´s a cry-baby comment.BTW,Argentine league(and their "style" of playing) is more violent than ours.

 

Tevez going to Brasil was big news and it would have only been a benefit, from a business standpoint particularly, for him to do well in Brasil. The allure of being someoen that was a clear difference maker and could have possibly been, today, the best player in the Brasilian leagues intrigued him in the beginning and probably still does now. As greedy as the CBF is, I don't think that with this one, they would have gotten particularly jingoistic about the issue.

But at the same time, I don't think that Tevez had anything close to the charisma needed to be a cross-over darling in the CBF; a 'uniter' if you will. So that portion was doomed from the get-go.

IMO if he wants to go they should do what they can to sell him to another club. At least make back some of the money and everyone knew he would eventually go to Europe anyways. But as for the referees, hard fouls, etc... the hard fouls happen to loads of the best players. I don't like them, but for many years now the CBF leagues, like tpmazembe says, has been absolutely plagued with fouls and physical play. That shouldn't have been a surprise. Meanwhile the windbreaker bit was just something done by a 'dumb jock'.

 

IMHO tevez is overhyped, olympic streak made him hot, he just wants to be traded,
my .02 cents

 

Sandokan,

Overhyped? You're kidding right? Or are you just saying that to be controversial? Please explain to me in greater detail why this kid's overhyped?

 

I agree.

And he is forcing to leave just because he stopped beign called for his National team.

Through history it always happen a hurricane in Corinthians after a defeat against São Paulo. And it has been happening quite often lately...

 

He is overhyped.I have not seen nothing so special about him.I don´t care anyway,i could care less about corinthian´s problems

 

There were four main points in the interview (which I watched):

1. He is supposedly a victim of violence on the field, not only with the acceptance of the referees, but also with their active participation (verbal harassment);

2. Argentine players would not be allowed to succeed in Brazil;

3. Women should not referee clássicos (games with historic significance, like the recent Corinthians x São Paulo, attended by two female referee assistants) because players, according to him, do not feel comfortable to talk with women the way they talk with man;

4. He suggested that the defense is not doing their job: “We are scoring 2, 3 goals every game. What else can we do?”

Now let’s take a look at the facts about the team, the club management and the player.

The Team

In the last 9 games, Corinthians only won 9 points (33%):

16th round – Santos 4 x 2 Corinthians
17th round – Corinthians 3 x 0 Coritiba
18th round – Corinthians 0 x 2 São Caetano
19th round – Internacional 0 x 0 Corinthians
20th round – Ponte Preta 3 x 5 Corinthians
21st round – Corinthians 1 x 1 Goiás
22nd round – Juventude 1 x 0 Corinthians
23rd round – Corinthians 3 x 3 Botafogo
24th round – São Paulo 3 x 2 Corinthians

It has been a poor performance in the last weeks and it’s also surprising, given the fact that they were playing good football. In fact, they had five wins in a row (100%) until they met Santos (in the day that Robinho returned and Giovani had a great afternoon).

11th round – Corinthians 3 x 1 Palmeiras
12th round – Paraná 2 x 3 Corinthians
13th round – Corinthians 3 x 2 Paysandu
14th round – Vasco 2 x 3 Corinthians
15th round – Corinthians 4 x 3 Cruzeiro

Well, the most expensive team in Brazil is not the clear favorite anymore to win the Campeonato Brasileiro. They beat Palmeiras, but they lost to Santos and São Paulo in the clássicos. Everyone who is familiar with the Brazilian football will be aware of what it means. That's a lot of pressure to deal with, especially for the main star.

The Club Management

In a few months there will be elections to choose the new president of the Sport Club Corinthians Paulista. Mr. Alberto Dualib, the man who introduced Mr. Kia Joorabchian to Corinthians (in a polemic revolving around the control of the club’s future), is presenting himself for a new term of the presidency. Mr. Joorabchian apparently suddenly developed a different idea about how the club should be managed. Mr. Dualib wants more money from MSI to pay alleged debts. Mr. Joorabchian says that MSI will pay the debts, but he wants to see the debt papers. Once friends, they now disagree. Besides that, according to the press, Mr. Joorabchian wants to be named Corinthians’ counselor. Counselors are the men and women who vote and run the club. Being a counselor is the first step to run for the club's presidency. Can they reach a consensus?

In the middle of this political fight, Tevez, who signed a contract with Corinthians, remains a MSI player.

The Player

Now let’s analyze Tevez’s arguments, one by one.

1 - A victim of violence on the field, not only with the acceptance of the referees, but also with their active participation (verbal harassment)

According to Sportv, Tevez is 14th in received fouls in the Campeonato Brasileiro (less than 80). Gomes, from Paraná Clube, is the first (almost 120). Roger is the 4th (1st in Corinthians, with less than 90). So, Tevez is not exactly being ‘hunted’ on the field. As for the referees, the language on the field, as everybody knows, is vivid, so to speak, not only with foreign players. However, if he feels discriminated, he should give names to CBF (and the press) and let the accused defend themselves. By not doing that, he is accusing all of them. In my opinion, it is an immoral strategy because it is manipulative and potentially harmful to the referees - let's not forget that Corinthians' fans are not angels. It applies to Tevez and the others who make ‘ghost’ accusations.

That said, it must be added that Tevez was recently given a red card for calling a referee a ‘filho da ********’ - in Spanish, of course. The referee was clever enough to write it down in the game report.

2 – Argentine players would not be allowed to succeed in Brazil

This suggestion is ridiculous, as TPmazembe correctly pointed out.

3 – Women should not referee clássicos (games with historic significance, like Corinthians x São Paulo, attended by two female referee assistants) because players, according to him, do not feel comfortable to talk with women the way they talk with man.

What can I say? Tevez is not talking about anyone but himself. He complaints of some kind of ‘verbal harassment’ from the male referees (which may be true), but goes to the public in a press conference to say that women should not referee clássicos. I would like to ask him: what does he want to say to a man that makes him uncomfortable if it’s a woman?

4 – We are scoring 2, 3 goals every game. What else can we do?

I guess he is right, although I disagree with the fact that he exposed players from his team – including Sebastian.

All in all, his interview was a disappointment for me. Tevez is a talented young man obviously going through a period of stress. Since he arrived I thought he was a blessing for Corinthians and a good move for the Campeonato Brasileiro and I still believe that he can lead his team to a great season – although it must be remembered that when Tevez arrived in Brazil he was going through problems with the Argentine press and the Boca fans due to his behavior and mood swings.

On the other hand, it seems to me that he is preparing his departure, somehow worried with the idea of failure.

p.s.

The Manchester United shirt was not without purpose. It was provocative and immature. Does he all of a sudden support Manchester United? Corinthians’ fans supported him from the start, offering their help and passionate chants. I just don’t think they deserve this kind of childish behavior.

 

Once againerfect post,Ombak!Congrats!

 

See through it. I wanna go to Europe itall means!!

 

Very well analyzed post, Ombak.

 

1) There was a debate last Friday in the Arena Sportv about Tevez statements and the numbers were presented as official. They have a tabela interativa with all the statistics that you can download at sportv.com.br.

2) I agree. By the way, Tevez is the most indisciplined player in Corinthians according to Folha de São Paulo, with 7 yellow and 2 red cards.

p.s.

Hey, Ombak, apparently we have a similar style.

p.p.s.

Have you ever read "El Otro"/"O Outro", a small story written by Jorge Luis Borges?

 

Tevez é multado por usar jaqueta do Manchester

 

Carlos Tevez has showed time and again that he is immature.. a great player no doubt, but just like Maradona in his day, what comes out of his mouth should not be listened to. When Brazil went on to play at Argentina.. Carlitos said and I quote: The only way to stop the brazilians is by hurting them..... Later he was the main character in a 'joke' of spitting in the water that would be taken to Parreira.. And now all the comotion..... I can see why he's unhappy in Brazil and I don't think it's bogus that an Argentine player will have dificulties succeeding in Brazill. With other players such as Sorin, who are midfielders it's easier.. but when it's a forward with the likes of Tevez it is very hard.. of course the supporters from his club will love him... but will they stand behind him in diffcult times, for example as santos with Robinho? Besides Sorin is much more charismatic, a nice guy.. while Tevez is from the gueto and tends to fight his way through life....
I have to admit, the media in general has been very kind with him, I was impressed all the time with seeing great things about him in the news and every commentator I heard during a corinthians match always defended him.... I personally have been watching Tevez since he was at Boca and when I heard he was going to Coprinthians my fiorst thought was: he's not going to last long there, not with his ways... and though I was wrong, it's taking much longer than I thought.. I believe, as we can all see, it's about time for him to move on....

 

I think he is just frustated because things haven't gone well and he's not used to the physical game of the Brazilian league.