Captain George Vancouver's Crew

Especially since Arsenal wouldn't fit in "CGVC."

 

His "good" relations were at the end of a gun. The natives did everything he wanted because he had weapons and technology they did not have.

Developing relations out of fear and superior weaponry is very one-sided.

And remember the cliche "history is written by the victors". All your history books you use to back up your theories about this person were written by non-natives.

This guy came over and said "oh, this land belongs to the monarchy now. thanks"

It is an insult to all of our proud First Nations people to have this man associated with Whitecaps FC.

 

Wow.. Someone has some very revisionist history issues to work through.

 

Right... He had all the time in the world to spread fear and superiority to the natives during the nine days he spent mapping and surveying the south coast, especially during that ONE day where he actually went ashore to meet with the Spanish. But I guess the natives were long gone at that point right?




just so anyone reading this is clear, I'm not defending this "crew." I still think this is the stupidest idea ever for a supporters club and I hope it fails miserably. It would be an insult to George Vancouver to have his name associated with something so ridiculous.

 

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note no one gives a toss about Captain Vancouver.

 

You guys are living in revisionist European based history lessons.

It baffles me why you are blindly defending this scumbag who was part of a long list of conquerers from Europe.

 

Because it makes an AWESOME idea for a supporters' club!

 

Enough people seem to give a toss because they are defending this "cultural butcher".

 

European conquerers rule.

 

Try saying that to the First Nations culture that was erased by men like George Vancouver.

 

What about Bob Backlund's 6-year title reign that was erased by men like yourself?

 

Camel Clutch FTW!

 

I'm sure the Celts are bitching about the Romans completely destroying their culture in the first century, the sub-Romans are bitching about the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes completely destroying their culture in the 5th century, while the Anglo-Saxons are bitching about the Normans completely destroying their culture in the 11th century.

That's how conquest has worked throughout history. A stronger culture is either pushed out of it's home territory, or increases its sphere of influence, and in the process it pushes the indigenous people out of the new area that it is moving/expanding in to. The only thing unique about the conquest of North America by the Europeans is that they didn't completely wipe out the indigenous culture.

 

The Europeans tried desperately to wipe out native culture here in North America. Putting them on reserves, not allowing them to vote, stealing their children to church schools and abusing them for speaking native languages, banning native customs such as the potlatch; are all tactics to wipe out a culture.

Lets also not forget the millions of natives in the Americas that died BEFORE heavy European settlement due to the introduction of diseases the natives had no immunity to. Yes, this was not an intentional thing but it still was a major contributor to wiping out a culture.

Do some research. There are many languages that are gone; many peoples and nations that were completely eliminated. There was a major attempt to wipe out ALL native cultures; fortunately a few did survive.

 

Much like Hulk Hogan escaping the Camel Clutch to win his first WWF championship.

 

Do try and keep up here... If you actually knew your history you would know that what the Europeans did to the indigineous population of North America is exactly what has happened every time a new culture moves into an area that already has an indigenous culture. The only difference between this conquest and every other conquest that has happened throughout history is that the indigenous people were not completely pushed out of the area, wiped out, or completely absorbed into the new culture.

To give you an idea what has happened in Europe across history: Prior to 750 BCE, most of Europe was dominated by Celtic cultures. Beginning around 750 BCE, Germanic tribes started to spread out of Scandinavia, primarily Denmark and the coastal areas of Norway and Finland, and over the next thousand years absorbed and/or pushed out the existing Celtic populations until the Germanic tribes reached the borders of the Roman Empire, while the existing Celtic tribes were pushed up into the northwestern corner of Europe (Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, and Scotland). That's why you have the Germanic languages of English, German, Austrian, and the Scandinavian languages in Northern and Central Europe, Romantic languages of Italian, Spanish, and French in Southern and Western Europe, and Celtic languages in Ireland, Wales, and Scotland.

That is just a sampling of what happened in Europe. In Asia, the Chinese did the same thing with eastern Asia, Mongols did the same thing to central Asia, etc. Heck, the spread of the Huns out of central Asia is what led to the fall of the western half of the Roman Empire. The Huns pushed the Visigoths and Ostrogoths out of eastern Europe and into the Roman Empire and the Visigoth and Ostrogoth rebellion is what put the final nail into the western Roman Empire's coffin.

What happened to the Native Americans is just what happens when a culture moves into a new area. One of the cultures "wins", while the other loses. In this case, the "winning" culture was European and the "losing" was the First Nations/Native Americans.

 

Much like the losers in a Royal Rumble, or a Survivor Series? Or the heavyweight championship tourney in Wrestlemania IV?

I'll never forget the day that Mean Gene Oakerlund and Classy Freddie Blassie invaded my elementary school playground. They handed out t-shirts, bandannas and giant styrofoam pointy fingers that had traces of Hulkamania on them.

Little did I know that in spite of the fact that I was training hard, saying my prayers and taking my vitamins every day, I had absolutely no immunity to the sort of venom that a pair of 24 inch pythons can bring to the squared circle.

Hulkamania soon ran wild, brother, and it ran right over all of us. It hit us like an atomic leg drop and we were done for.

 

Because this "cultural genocide" has happened all over the world it somehow makes George Vancouver's actions (and the actions of his co-conspirators_ justifiable? CULTURAL GENOCIDE IS WRONG ANYWHERE. You cant justify what he did to our Native peoples.

 

the iron sheik should have broken his back and made him humble!

 

Except, as already noted, George Vancouver was not involved in this cultural genocide. Being torqued off at Vancouver is like being torqued off at Ben Franklin 'cause of the crap the Americans were doing to the Native Americans were doing on our side of the border.

 

It amazes me you all blindly believe the "euro-written" history that he was a simple surveyor.

His mapping (if you wish to naively believe that is all he did) LED TO more settlement which pushed Native culture to the waste bin.

He was part of the mechanism, one way or another, that led to the butchering of our Native people's culture.

 

*facepalms* So, drawing a map is enough to vilify the guy for all of history and blaming him for the actions that others committed well after his death? In that case, you might as well string up Albert Einstein. After all, it was his theory of relativity that ultimately led to the development of the atomic bomb, which was subsequently dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

 

That is different. USA and JAPAN were at formal war; attacking one another.

George Vancouvers VICTIMS were peaceful people with no interest in being erased from history.

And, if you really think that the only thing he did was "draw a map" then you might as well put on your sailor hat and be the blind man.