Cap space, needs, and roster spots

Discussion in 'Colorado Rapids' started by spot, Feb 23, 2004.

  1. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just reading ussocceruk.com's note on Hart's trade to SJ. The article mentioned that trade talks are starting to get a little more active with some teams pushing their caps.

    Does anyone have a sense of what are cap situation is at the moment?

    Assuming we are not going to be getting a marquee player, what players/positions should the team consider to round out the club and fill the bench?
     
  2. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When Soccer America published the MLS rosters and salaries I remember the Rapids being very close to the cap.

    Here is the list:
    Colorado
    PLAYER BASE GUARANTEED
    Spencer, John $311,273 $311,273
    Powell, Darryl $230,000 $240,000
    Mastroeni, Pablo $200,000 $203,750
    Chung, Mark $160,000 $160,000
    Henderson, Chris $147,000 $147,000
    Roberts, Zizi $120,000 $145,000
    Cannon, Joe $125,000 $125,000
    Kotschau, Richard $60,000 $60,750
    Carrieri, Chris $55,125 $55,125
    Vallow, Scott $37,800 $37,800
    Beckerman, Kyle $30,561 $31,811
    Trembly, Seth $29,172 $30,422
    Stewart, Jeff $26,460 $26,460
    Kingsley, Zack $26,460 $26,460
    Crawford, Matt $25,200 $25,200
    Borchers, Nat $24,000 $24,000
    Foss, Bryan $15,000 $15,000
    Total $1,623,050.42 $1,665,050.42



    I think MLS cap is $1.7M. Is this right? So there is not too much wiggle room for new players.
     
  3. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    Lots of players that need to have a good season to justify thier pay on this team:

    Henderson
    Powell
    Zizi
    Pablo

    And if those four contribute proportionally ... then we'll have a fantastic year!
     
  4. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    The Soccer America article stated that the salaries listed did not necessarily count against the cap, especially for players at the higher end of the scale.

    We had a discussion on this a few weeks ago in the following thread:
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93584&highlight=salary+room

    My take on following the money from that thread:

    If you add up the currently-rostered base salaries as published by the players' union:

    Spencer, John $311,272.50
    Powell, Darryl $229,999.92
    Mastroeni, Pablo $200,000
    Chung, Mark $160,000 $160,000
    Henderson, Chris $147,000
    Roberts, Zizi $120,000
    Cannon, Joe $125,000
    Kotschau, Richard $60,000
    Carrieri, Chris $55,125
    Vallow, Scott $37,800
    Beckerman, Kyle $30,561
    Stewart, Jeff $26,460
    Kingsley, Zack $26,460
    Crawford, Matt $25,200

    Assume that Gregorio plus one other (either draftee or free agent) is signed for $25K each.

    As P-40 or Dev players, the salaries of Trembly ($29K), Borchers ($24K) and Foss ($15K) do not count against the cap. Similarly, the Rapids will likely sign at least one or two players to developmental contracts.

    TOTAL: $1.6M (approx)

    HOWEVER... that total is based on salaries higher than those that are counted against the cap, which stipulates a max player salary of roughly $270K.

    I think it would be a safe estimate to say the Rapids are hovering at roughly $1.4M that goes against the $1.7M cap.

    So with anywhere $200-$300K to spend, what are the Rapids looking at? Could there be a new big-salary discovery coming into the team, or perhaps a pair of league veterans each in the $100 range?

    In any event, it sure looks like the Rapids are trying to keep cap room open for these possibilities.
     
  5. He's In Fashion

    Jan 7, 2000
    Littlefun, CO, US
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why don't we take that 300,000$ and televise 3/4 of the road games...


    Ditch Trembly and his 30,000$ (there's a theft in progress!)
     
  6. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    Or $5K to get an independent contractor to help speed up the website redevelopment.
     
  7. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Greenie, you are painting a horrible picture on www.rapidsfan.com today. Do you really think a player from last season is going to have to be cut? Plus, will we be able to get any rookies? This is what I am reading into the headline, Bumping their heads?.
     
  8. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    From what two trustworthy sources have told me, the Rapids are indeed having some very tight cap issues at the moment.

    Supposedly their problem isn't roster compliance but salary compliance -- in the words of one source, "the Rapids have a very hard, unenviable decision to make in the next few days."

    And I've since heard from a third person that indeed, many of the salaries as "published" are inaccurate.

    I'm hopeful that there is either a gross misunderstanding somewhere or that the Rapids feel they are bumping their heads agaianst the cap ceiling because they have a yet-to-be-named discovery they're looking to bring in for the neighborhood of $100k.
     
  9. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078
    i have you guys down for a team cap of $1,604,556... accounting for a cap of $280k per player (accountable that is... anything over that doesn't count) and bonuses do count towards the cap (provided the 280k limit hasn't been reached)

    -jim
     
  10. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Leaving room for a couple of the new camp invites to make $25k.
     
  11. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    If that is indeed the case then the Rapids shouldn't have to worry about significant cuts.

    However unless you can confirm that salaries published are accurate, I've gotta go with what I've heard on the down low as these guys haven't been wrong yet.

    Not saying I disagree with your calculation, it's pretty much what I came up with in my previous posts -- if the financial figures presented are indeed accurate.

    Busting the math with the "over 280 doesn't count" rule and rounding to the nearest $1,000:

    Spencer, John $280
    Powell, Darryl $230
    Mastroeni, Pablo $200
    Chung, Mark $160
    Henderson, Chris $147
    Roberts, Zizi $120
    Cannon, Joe $125
    Kotschau, Richard $60
    Carrieri, Chris $55
    Vallow, Scott $38
    Beckerman, Kyle $31
    Stewart, Jeff $26
    Kingsley, Zack $26
    Crawford, Matt $25

    SUBTOTAL: $1,523,000

    Hypothetical additions:
    Castellanos $25
    Cann, Adrian $25
    Gregorio, Adolfo $25

    TOTAL: $1,598,000

    (Trembly, Borchers and Foss are existing DEV players; figure the Rapids add maybe Cila and Sullivan as DEV this year)
     
  12. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've been hearing that De La Torre is a solid passer and can nail people from over 40 yards. He could be another Dev player, right?
     
  13. sportsoc1

    sportsoc1 New Member

    Jan 31, 2004
    Borchers ($24K) Beckerman $31K Why is the over 30 clan getting so much money and these two starters so little. the salaries that are stated for them are still the developmental and project 40 salaries of last year.. They haven't gotten new contracts...other teams adjusted the contract for some of the older players who did not have that great of a year... case in point..Where is Roberts... Has he even reported ???
     
  14. pappekak

    pappekak New Member

    Feb 13, 2003
    Tralfamadore
    Didn't the Rapids defer some of Cannon's compensation for last year to 2004? I remember the Rapids did something like that to fit him under the 2003 cap.
     
  15. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    Another question ... MLS doesn't renegotiate contracts until they are set to expire ... correct?

    I dig this practice btw. The contracts players sign aren't forced on them.
     
  16. M.T. Nets

    M.T. Nets New Member

    Jan 31, 2002
    The MLS doesn't negotiate contracts unless they feel they will loose a player and they can lock them in for another 2,3,4 years what ever the deal of the day is. The problem is if the player is improving and the market is open the player will play out the contract and try to move someplace else-especially if there is no transfer fee----can you say Carlos Bocanegra(sp)
     

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