Pre-match: Can't believe it took this long for this thread, the 2024 Presidential election thread!

The Atlantic has an issue where they’ve gotten 24 writers to describe what a Trump 2nd term would look like. They’re ringing the alar, bell. Let’s see how other media react.

 

RFK says what?

NEW: RFK Jr. admits he traveled on Jeffrey Epstein's plane twice, says his wife had "some kind of relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell." https://t.co/QmQwrHiT8s

— MeidasTouch (@MeidasTouch) December 6, 2023

 

F******** no

 

I didn’t even know it was tonight….not a chance.

 

I've been at my sibling's place house sitting and playing with their cat. Why ruin a good thing?

 

I watched it, though not from the beginning. I actually agreed with much of what was said. I went into it thinking DeSantis was a fascist. Nothing changed my mind.

 

You should keep that to yourself or they'll make him the VP or Attorney General or some shit.

 

More ammo for the 2024 optimists:

Election result: Florida Republicans just defended a legislative district (#HD118) in a special election tonight, 52% to 46%.

Trump won the district by 17% (h/t @umichvoter) in 2020, which was a huge red shift from 2016.

— Taniel (@Taniel) December 6, 2023

 

I will need more than that to make be more upbeat.....Saying that I am concerned about 2024 is an understatement. Reading stuff like that poll below doesn't help either. I am also worry that is the Hamas Israel drags into 2024, that may have devastating effects on the democratic coalition.

A new Wall Street Journal poll finds President Biden’s political standing “is at its weakest point of his presidency, with voters giving him his lowest job-performance marks and favoring Donald Trump for the first time in a head-to-head test of the likely 2024 presidential matchup.”

 

If the stakes of this election were normal (like, say, 1996) I’d be very optimistic about the Democrats’ chances.

But a loss means a very, VERY real chance that we lose our democracy. So it’s sort of like playing Russian roulette with 1 bullet in 6 chambers. I’m probably OK, but the downside is existential.

And I think that’s driving the pessimism. The part of the left that is vocal on the internet, in the media, etc., know this is an existential election (again.) and is alarmed at the consequences of losing, not the odds of losing. It’s exhausting to continually fear the end of our democracy as we’ve known it.

 

Not an expert, but given past results since the repeal of Roe, I share this viewpoint. Proposal 3 in Michigan passed by double digits (13%), abortion has been winning in places like Kansas and Ohio (With a wide margin no less).

Anyway, we're 11 months away from the election, and past ain't prologue, but I think abortion will be one of the bigger issues in the election, and not some far off conflict in the Middle East.

Good luck running from that. There's no hiding from it. Donald Trump is responsible for ending Roe v Wade and for the torture of women like this. And Biden holds the opposite (extremely popular) position. Simple as that.

— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) December 9, 2023

 

This will definitely play a huge factor next year. I hope more states will try to put women's right to choose on the ballot next year.
We are seeing signs that regular folks are starting to feel the economy is improving as well. That is comforting too.

 

Like I said in another thread, if they don't do something and this woman dies or a severe long-term injuries I don't think Republicans can run away from it. I'm surprised Republican Pols aren't screaming just give her whatever she wants so we won't have to talk about this in the new year.