Pre-match: Can't believe it took this long for this thread, the 2024 Presidential election thread!

Discussion in 'Elections' started by ceezmad, Nov 7, 2020.

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Who will be the 2 Candidates for the 2 big parties in 2024

  1. Joe Biden

    34 vote(s)
    53.1%
  2. Kamala Harris

    20 vote(s)
    31.3%
  3. Bernie Sanders

    2 vote(s)
    3.1%
  4. Ted Cruz

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
  5. Donald Trump (from prison)

    28 vote(s)
    43.8%
  6. One of the Trump idiots

    4 vote(s)
    6.3%
  7. A Never Trump Republican

    2 vote(s)
    3.1%
  8. The dude from Florida (not florida man)

    6 vote(s)
    9.4%
  9. A Trumpian Republican

    10 vote(s)
    15.6%
  10. Hail Grimes!

    10 vote(s)
    15.6%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    Are other people getting texts urging them to reach out to 3 or 4 friends who haven’t voted? I’ve gotten 3 since dinner.

    Also here to post this. They like being lied to. They’re the grinning dipshits behind any bully, vicariously feeling his power.

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  2. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    It has already been pointed out, that Columbus was not allowed to buy down Zelarayan for….. reasons.
     
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  3. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    Clearly this indicates a massive sign shortage, another failure of the Biden economy.
     
  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    More left wing loonies like Glenn Beck and Ted Cruz talking about how ridiculously unqualified he is to be president. This kind of talk is what forces Republicans to vote for the Republican.

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  5. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
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    Actually, it was Nagbe, which would have allowed to keep Zelarayan.

    Anyway, the election…
     
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  6. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Thank you. :barefoot:
     
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  7. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
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    But if you look at the regions, you can see it's down in most of the country and only up in the Northeast. How can a national policy be blamed for that behavior?

    There was a real massive shift in the crime rate that certainly have nothing to do with incarceration rates. There were so many societal chances from the 1960's to the 1990's it's hard to pin it down, but I'm certain things like a healthier environment, greater equality, and more freedom to produce children that are actually wanted all have a far bigger impact on the amount of crime than prison time. If you want less crime, make a better society. And it's the small government solution too. Prisons are very expensive.

    This is the disconnect I mentioned in my first response to you. You seem to think a guy going into a bank with a gun and robbing it for $1000 is a bigger problem than the bank executive stealing $10 million and I don't. To give a Trump example, World Liberty Financial, the crypto-ish project Trump has personally promoted, has sold at least $13 million in tokens. That money is gone. There's no way to redeem or sell the token. The money's in the pockets of the people that run the token and it's not going anywhere. What World Liberty Financial did isn't illegal, but clearly it's deceptive and immoral. The kind of person involved in something like this cares zero for people and only for themselves and there is no debate otherwise.

    Trump is likely to go hard on the small-time crooks. He is not going to do anything against large scale ones. The money launderers and the billion dollar scammers are his constituency. It's him. And having a guy running a country that is ok with this is just going to give permission to others that think the same. The SEC has been (very slowly) going after the banks that deal in this world, like Silvergate and Signature. I expect that to stop under Trump. I expect the investigations into crypto crime to stop. I can say that because the people that want those things are pouring an ungodly amount of money into the Trump campaign, and they expect their money's worth.
     
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  8. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    I wasn't speaking to you. Stanger is a conservative -- an actual conservative -- and I was speaking to him about how I cannot wait for us -- him and me -- to go back to the real days of politics when we argued over policy.

    You wouldn't know a policy debate if it bit you in the ass.
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    it’s a lifestyle brand for a questionable lifestyle
     
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  10. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
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    Atlanta
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    --other--
    It was the actual quote that I recall. Quick and well-written. If it was yours, props.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    The idea Trump will be tough on crime is laughable. We already saw during his first term he did nothing. Crime rates were up, and his admin engaged in unprecedented levels of corruption.

    Florida is a great example of this bullshit rhetoric
     
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  12. Athlone

    Athlone Member+

    Feb 2, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    I did not deny that incomes are up, I did not deny that the S&P 500 is up, and I did not deny that home values are up. Below is taken directly from the post you are quoting (but was left out of your response):

    That does not say "incomes stayed the same". It clearly says "incomes did not keep up with inflation", which is a very different (and verifiable) claim. It does not deny that homes and stocks are worth more - it notes that people who do not have significant stock market holdings and do not own homes with significant equity and/or low rates don't get the benefit of that appreciation, and thus can still have significantly reduced buying power in a highly inflationary environment (where their incomes have, again, not kept up with said inflation). The entire focus of my argument is on these people - they are the 3 out of 5 Americans who think the USA is in a recession, even though it is not.

    To be very clear about what is happening here (as it is a microcosm for most of this thread): I am saying one thing, and the response is to either (1) to ignore what I said, (2) to claim I said something else entirely, (3) use that something else entirely as a foundation for the claim that I don't understand anything at all or (4) some combination of all the above.

    I am NOT saying the things you claim I am saying. I've been very clear about my assertions on this point about the economy. I gave you sourcing, from reliable non-right wing sources on said point. That incomes have NOT kept up with inflation is in evidence. That this inflation hit record levels during the last 4 years is in evidence. Everything I said is in evidence - I gave you the sources. They're right there. Even the term "technical recession", which you imply I just made up here, is widely used by economists and the very same sources you asked me to present to you - that is easily verifiable on the "googly masheen", just put it in and you'll see for yourself (the term "functional recession" is just a colloquialism to describe the dynamic I mentioned above, and I clearly stated that it is NOT an actual recession by definition).

    I can't defend assertions I didn't make, which you keep assigning to me. If that is what will happen here then I accept that decision and you're welcome to it, but I can't partake.

    I don't know how to talk to any of you either. @Khan is a respectful user who has engaged with me in good faith and whose arguments I have appreciated, and even we seem to talk past each other. It's not malicious, I don't think any of it is intentional, there's just a misunderstanding that is fundamental I think when the gap in where each side is coming from is this large. @luftmensch did a good enough job getting at that general issue earlier (even if we disagree on the details).

    I think maybe there is no real dialogue to be had for people this far apart ideologically, and maybe that's unfortunate but needs to be accepted for what it is. I can't blame other people for refusing to accept reality - any refusal to do that is really on me.
     
  13. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    In case anyone needs to refute this garbage.
     
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  14. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    FC Sankt Pauli
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    Belgium
    There is no good faith argument for Trumpism

    If there were you wouldn't be the first to make it.

    The Ronboi elites tried and failed to make those arguments for several years. The idea someone will finally turn up on Bigsoccer with an eloquent and rational defence of the movement is laughable when the movement itself cannot do so.

    A while back someone posted the take - if Trumpism really was just the valid concerns of citizens, why does it's leadership lie all the time? There wouldn't be any need to pretend Haitians were eating dogs.
     
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  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Fascist Hellscape
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    Do you know how much it costs to tank up the gin palace these days?
     
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  16. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    I don’t even know why folks here are wasting their time with that dude. He is simply parroting the same lies, conspiracies and logical fallacies. To be a trumpet requires a complete suspension of disbelief to a point of embarrassment and this is the perfect illustration.

    People like that, with a rotten veneer of intellect , are much worse and more dangerous than the rubes who are part of the cult. They are empty suits, completely devoid of good faith, dignity and integrity.
     
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  17. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
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    He did a lot more than nothing. In fact he pardoned several convicted criminals.
     
  18. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
  20. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
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    Belgium
    Damn old boy getting a bit rough.

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  21. Val1

    Val1 Member+

    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
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    Arsenal FC
    Completely laughable.

    Republicans, and Trump, are tough on hooliganism, not on crime.

    It's just one more vector to attack "the other."
     
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  22. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Belgium
    Policies which are good for my children

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  23. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
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    Belgium
    Yeah as we know "tough on crime' doesn't actually mean well thought out policies on crime

    It means violence against out groups
     
  24. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Trump Campaign Memo Admits He Could Lose

    “Behind the bluster, former President Trump’s campaign is preparing staff members to wind down the operation while privately acknowledging that Trump could lose Tuesday’s election,” Axios reports.

    “It’s unusual for Trump or his campaign to portray anything but rosy scenarios. But an email to staff on Friday offered a clear-eyed view of what could happen in this coin-flip election.”

    “Trump himself has been quick to belittle unfavorable polls and has vowed that the only way he could lose is if Democrats cheat. He has laid the groundwork for legal challenges if things don’t go his way.”
     
  25. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    @soccernutter, good news from your former state.


    Wisconsin Democratic party chairman Ben Wikler just said that Milwaukee has broken the record for early voting and that an astounding 13% of them were first time voters. He's on MSNBC now and he sounds very confident.
     

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