Pre-match: Can't believe it took this long for this thread, the 2024 Presidential election thread!

Re: the second amendment. I wish she were a threat. Gun owners need to be denied the franchise.

 

I read a piece in 2020, not long before the election, about Trump voters in the Florida panhandle and southern Georgia just above it. To this day, I remember this one white, middle-aged (or slightly younger), female Trump voter, who was struggling economically. She spoke of how Trump had not made things better for people like her. She spoke of how she was struggling to stay afloat and find a job close to her, which forced her to travel a long distance to work. She basically said that things were crap for her. In summary of her own position, while STILL supporting Trump for 2020, she said something to the effect of "I voted for him in 2016 expecting all of these things, and instead he is hurting the wrong people." Again, this is me paraphrasing her as I don't have the exact quote. But I KNOW she used the last 4 words .... "hurting the wrong people." And that is what it comes down to. These are not people looking to take the country forward as a whole. These are people who are looking to see the people they do not like crushed beneath their boot. And in many cases, they will accept, begrudgingly, their own misery to see that come to fruition.

 

He lived, so clearly it wasn't that bad.

 

Trump isn’t Hitler. But he and those he’s promoting ARE kleptocratic narcissists who will put themselves first. That we know from 2017-2021.

Unlike Trump, she owns a gun. To say she is a threat is to put ignorance on full display.

 

It came very, very close to ending on 1/6. If he is able to appoint more loyalists into the court system and other positions of power, democracy will indeed be ending.

 

And which of the orange Hitler-loving felon's specific policies will do that? Please, be specific. And keep in mind that he regularly mocks projections about rising sea levels, even though we have already had low-lying uninhabited islands go underwater in the Pacific.

He has called climate change "a hoax" and "one of the great scams of all time".

If you honestly cared about the climate and the nightmare that has already started, you would not vote for this psychopathic narcissistic idiot.

 

Obviously he's not Hitler, as Hitler is dead.

He is a Hitler-loving felon who regularly borrows Hitler's language when speaking about minorities, who admitted to owning a copy of Mein Kampf and who, according to his ex-wife, kept a book of Hitler's speeches by his bedside. He also had family members who were literal Nazis.

The way the right is trying to conflate the accusations that he admires Hitler with supposedly saying he "is Hitler" is a dishonest shape-shifting attempt. The only one I know of who has called him "America's Hitler" is JD Vance.

Let's not downplay that Trump admires Hitler, borrows from Hitler and has shown no indication he would not follow in Hitler's autocratic path. He has aligned himself with and has dined with neo-Nazis and white supremacists. Hitler did not start by killing 6 million people in the Holocaust, that is where he ended. I see no reason to believe Trump would not go down that same path if it were offered to him. He is a dangerous psychopathic narcissist and anyone who votes for him is not to be trusted.

 

The ones before the porn scandal broke.

 

I’ve got this one.

If you track carbon emissions, they go down whenever the economy is horrible. Trump’s tariffs policy and his immigration policy will cause a very serious recession. That will reduce carbon emissions, at least until the Democrats are in charge of the economy again.

 

That's my sig.

 

He's supporting a rapist - he's not worth anyone's time.

+1

PS. I have some choice words but I am being nice today.

 

This. So much this.

People (those low info fence sitters) don't appreciate how close it came to a constitutional crises of epic proportions. They truly don't.

I've said it before, but Liz Cheney's book lays it all out beautifully and clearly.

 

If that campaign last one more week, he will undress on stage and start dancing naked....He is totally losing it....This whole thing is bonkers...

Trump appears to be unraveling live on stage

“When I say insane asylums, and then I say, Doctor Hannibal Lecter, does anybody know? They go crazy. They say, oh, he brings up these names out of— Well, that's genius. Right. Doctor Hannibal Lecter. There's nobody worse than him.… pic.twitter.com/Yyi4MuhR3N

— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) November 2, 2024

 

One of my (Black) friends -- a Jamaican -- said this to me almost verbatim.

 

You are right! It was the year before the election. What I read was the full version of this snipped article, as the whole thing was LONG.

 

And none of this should surprise us. He learned at the feet (proverbially) of Roy Cohn. The same Roy Cohn who was Joseph McCarthy's right-hand man at a young age, helping him to push vile, despicable hatred. The same Joseph McCarthy who LITERALLY took the side of Nazis over American military men, defending those Nazis' murder of those already surrendered American troops, from his seat in our Congress. Again, why the hell are we surprised?

 

Well . . . I thought you might be arguing in good faith, but I no longer believe that.

Trump's rhetoric has changed a good deal from 2016, and a lot of it has to do with getting back at democrats and his political enemies from 2020. In office, he tried to use military aid that had been authorized by congress to force a foreign government to manufacture dirt on Biden, so I have no doubt he'll be willing to weaponize the justice department against his perceived enemies this time around.

Again. How do you square that with valuing democracy? You just can't compare Trump's first term to what he's promising to do this time around. That would be arguing in bad faith, because the circumstances have changed. What he's flat-out stated he would do in office has changed.

 

This article seems to basically be an extended argument that the media and Dems focus too much on Trump being insane and not enough on him being evil.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/10/how-donald-trump-could-still-be-winning.html

 

Ok, this is either an extreme outlier, or, the optimists’ argument that pollsters are seriously over correcting from the Trump misses in 2016 and 2020 is correct.

Because if Iowa goes for Harris, obviously the whole blue wall will too.

One reason I’m skeptical goes like this. Iowa and Ohio have been lightly polled at the presidential level because they aren’t swing states. But Ohio has a senate race that HAS been heavily polled and shows a very tight race, which implies Trump having a cozy win in Ohio, like 6 points. And if Trump wins Ohio with some comfort he ain’t losing Iowa.

I’m including a reply because yeah, if this is a good poll, it’s a pretty good argument that there’s a lot of herding going on.

well she's not herding that's for sure

— Brad T. Casali (@btc2008) November 2, 2024

 

Ann Seltzer’s Iowa poll has long been considered the gold standard for polling. At 538 they grade it as A+.

Iowa has never been as MAGA as other Midwest states, including Ohio.

 

Holy shit, that Selzer poll. Legitimately might be Harris's best poll of the election