Pre-match: Can't believe it took this long for this thread, the 2024 Presidential election thread!

Yeah, but the actual campaign had to keep its hands out of it.

No hands, get it? Get it? I’m making a masturbation joke!

 

Pretty good. If Harris loses NC it won’t be because of the lack of a ground game, I can tell you that. The number of doors knocked, calls made, and texts sent is insane.

Also, it’s got to be hard to poll NC after the Mark Robinson news. Whether that is good for her or for him, ???

 

From David Plouffe himself….. the momentum is definitely not. Figment of my imagination.

1852404433453216123 is not a valid tweet id

 

Honestly, Robinson was the biggest gift in NC.he will lose by double digits and I will be shocked if there isn’t an upward coattails for a Harris there.

 

Search chicken hawk on this site. Then show me your outraged responses calling out those posters for suggesting whomever they called a chicken hawk should be executed.

Seriously….there are thirty billion vile and disgusting things he’s said. He was not…as was implied in the numerous tweets and articles on this subject…calling for her to be executed.

Making shit up to try to make Trump look worse is detrimental.

 

This Cheney thing is just the latest example of Trump calculatingly saying just enough to “nod and wink” at what he really means and what his deplorables want to hear but with enough ineptitude/vagueness so they can cry victim when called on it.

it’s exhausting.

didn’t we used to respect politicians for saying what they mean and being clear in what they believe? MAGA is often on both sides of issues publicly and it’s only later the sheep just blindly follow whatever dear leader actually decides to do (normally to the benefit of the rich not the sheep).

exhausting.

 

Are you for real? I guess we have a Trump whisperer now.

 

@American Brummie …. Don’t shoot the messenger!

Senior Harris campaign officials say campaign’s internal data show them winning by double digits among battleground state voters who made up their mind in the last week. Focus groups, officials say, show damage to Trump from Madison Square Garden rally and Puerto Rico comments.

 

Go outside, drink a bottle of salt, and spit it into the air over your shoulder while spinning around in a circle.

 

It is pretty obvious the idiot was not saying Cheney should be shot, but rather that she would not be in a hurry to go to war if she had to fight in it, which honestly makes sense when talking about chickenhawks in general.

To me the really insulting part in the clip comes before that when he channels his inner mysoginistic toddler and calls her dumb, just like he does with any woman that dares to oppose him.

 

I'm not convinced that these and related reform ideas are still "far left". I've seen them echoed by too many sources closer to the Democratic mainstream (including the current Democratic nominee, even though folks have correctly noted here her recent attempt to tone that down) to still believe that it's just fringe far leftists who have an ideological affinity for defunding.

And, to be clear, the crime concerns with Harris and democrats generally go beyond defunding. Support for activist prosecutors, who are very much not on the fringe and whose work does have a real impact day to day, is much stronger on the left and with Harris. Same goes for bail reform. We have differing views on capital punishment.

I could go on. Trump's policies are imperfect here but it's not hard for me to see them favorably re: the alternative.

That's not the activist part. As the link I sent earlier showed, lukewarmers don't deny the existence of anthropogenic climate change. What separates them from the activists on the topic is everything else after that (mitigation, risk level, etc).

That's fine. Labeling all lukewarmers deniers has become pretty standard fare on the left today as the party has moved more toward the activist stance on climate change, and welcomed said activists into its mainstream. The GOP is really the only option for someone with my set of views on the topic. It is what it is.

Obviously we can ban tanks. I'm talking about bans that are currently on the table. That is primarily an assault weapons ban for now, and in a Harris administration having its way, it would include handguns.

Harris is nowhere near my position on this issue.

The lack of constitutionality is why I am saying it is unrealistic.

I'm aware, but a president's impact on housing policy is not zero. For the record, Harris' housing policy is one of the better aspects of her overall platform in my opinion, even if it's still not great (and Trump's very mixed record on this isn't great either).

That being said, on a state/local level, Democrats have been much worse on housing. I hope that changes some day, but I don't see much hope on the horizon near term.

I ask this question respectfully, as I do not seek to deny the significance or value of your experience, but why would you assume you're more aware of this than I am as an actual black person?
I'm not saying all black people are more aware of these things at all times than all non-black people, and there may be disagreements on the topic between us, but the odds of me just plain not even understanding something as significant as intra-racial gender dynamics within the black community at all as a black male really aren't that great.

You have worked with many black people, I understand and appreciate this, but I actually am one. I'm no less well equipped to understand this than you are.

The term you are looking for to describe sexism within the black community as directed from black men to black women is "misogynoir". I am very familiar with the concept, in a practical sense as a black male who is a part of the issue (and, pursuant to the same, has had plenty of dialogue with black women and men on the topic and how we impact it day to day), and theoretically (through study of the literature on the topic during school and beyond graduation).

My skepticism of the applicability here is not pulled out of thin air, and I stand by my previous comments re: her race and gender being insufficient excuses for the valid criticism she receives as a candidate.

I don't understand the difficulty here. The dominant pro-life position prior to Trump within the GOP was a full on national abortion ban. Trump has clearly and publicly broken from that position, and taken it off the table at the national level. Pro-life activists previously optimistic on national bans on abortion, are now limited to campaigning on the state level, with only a minority of states realistically in play for any bans and a good chunk of those already shutting them down. They are not happy about this and have publicly criticized Trump for it.

Going from "national abortion ban and constitutional amendment to protect all unborn children" to "leave it to the states" is a move away from the strictly pro-life position. The latter stance, by virtue of the fact that it basically accepts that abortion will remain legal in the vast majority of the country, is a much more moderate position.

Now, we can argue on the merits of that position. And we can clearly agree that, move or no move, the GOP is clearly far more pro life than Democrats are today, and ending Roe clearly moved the country in a more pro life direction. But within the party itself, the pro life position is not as strong as it was 5-10 years ago. A shift away from embracing one-size-fits-all abortion law nationwide (as the GOP previously did) to state-by state determinations is a loss for any pro-life conservatives who previously pushed for bans. That's very clear.

 

I don't think this will matter very much, because he was simply being honest about his feelings and, in doing so, didn't say anything anyone didn't already know.

The idea that anyone who votes for or even considers voting for/supporting Trump is garbage or an otherwise lower lifeform is widely held among those who fall more left of center (and even a handful of folks right of center who are in the Never Trump camp). Live examples of that are pretty easy to see in this thread alone, and they're common elsewhere in day to day life across the country. This isn't even the first time a prominent Democrat has let the idea slip out publicly - at some point, it's a pattern and no longer a coincidence.

Those folks already understand how they are viewed, the knowledge is baked in. Biden saying it now is not totally unimpactful in the sense that it will occupy portions of the news cycle that could otherwise go to things that might actually matter, but when it comes to actually moving votes in and of itself it's a non-issue.

 

Trump Is Nearly $2 Billion in Debt

“Donald Trump’s debt obligations currently amount to around $1.8 billion, and that amount is growing every month,” CNN reports.

 

The funny part is Trump, the native New Yorker, saw this MSG rally as the pinnacle moment of his career, riding a gigantic supporter's wave to reclaim the White House and it ended up doing incredible damage to his campaign. Poetic.

 

Another data point…if Team Harris thought she was losing they’d be trying out a different message. They aren’t.

Team Trump is harder to read, but in 2016 he was fairly disciplined when Comey threw him a lifeline. So he also might be so undisciplined now because he’s trying different messages. Or this might just be his congenital erraticness.

 

PHOENIX — Arizona's top prosecutor tells 12News she is investigating whether Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump violated state law by making a "death threat" against former GOP Rep. Liz Cheney during remarks Thursday night at an event in Glendale.

"I have already asked my criminal division chief to start looking at that statement, analyzing it for whether it qualifies as a death threat under Arizona's laws," Attorney General Mayes, a first-term Democrat, said during Friday's taping of "Sunday Square Off."

 

superdave made a point in the other thread that the thing Trump says about “9 rifles” is oddly specific and possibly suggests a firing squad. Fair point, IMO. So either Trump was vaguely suggesting that his fellow chickenhawk see combat before thinking about sending soldiers off to war, or he was dog whistling death threats. Depends on whether he’s an evil genius or a rambling senile narcissist (trick question: he’s all those except the genius).

 

He is dumb, evil, going senile, and a genius at being a con man.

 

Go ******** yourself.

I don’t give a ******** what you do or write in this insignificant irrelevant portion of the internet. Lie all you want. I am commenting on left influencers peddling easily debunked bullshit about trump. That hurts us, not them. It provides ammo to the right to counteract all the despicable things he actually does say. They get to use this VERY real example of trump being taken out of context…then amplify that…then the one actually persuadable person gets to see this LIE…and associates this with all the very REAL things the left amplifies and assumes those are bullshit too. It plays directly into the both sides. FFS….this is an actual EXAMPLE of both sides bothsidesing.

Trump whisperer….GTFO.

 

And can we address the orange idiot's "animosity" towards hawks when he appointed Bolton to his cabinet (or whatever it was), supports Netanyahu, Putin, etc?

 

Don't forget someone to uses the same terms Hitler did to denigrate "the other", just like Hitler did.