Pre-match: Can't believe it took this long for this thread, the 2024 Presidential election thread!

Going to scream it till I'm blue in the face:

Michigan may have the biggest Arab-American diaspora in the US and maybe the world (Outside the Middle East), but they aren't that significant in a state of 10 million, a city with a metro population of 4 million, and even when they ditched Whitmer in 22 she still won by double digits. Israel ain't going to be it and no amount of whining Rashida Tlaib does is going to state otherwise. Will also state again, that Bush had the Arab-American vote and still lost Michigan in 2000.

And reminder, there's a prominent Jewish population in Detroit too.

Anyway, going to laugh at the people predicting disaster if Harris wins MI.

 

If Iowa and Alaska represent a pattern then we should expect Harris to do well in rural states like Mississippi, Montana, and the Dakotas as well.

 

I'm of the opinion that there's a possibility Harris has an overwhelming victory, and that includes even maybe red states.

The GOP's become too weird, there's that little matter of Dobbs blowback*, Trump, JD Vance, and then there's Project 2025. It's telling that the GOP is panicking over abortion and Project 2025 because quite frankly, it makes them look like assholes, and they know it. Throw in Trump being close with Laura Loomer, a person you take great effort to avoid saying hello too, and here we are.

*: I'm of the opinion that Dobbs is going to bleed the GOP the way busing bled the Dems in the 70s. Consequences of turning theory into practice, and with ending Roe, there were too many questions that were avoided because of Roe. The only difference is the consequences might be more swift because it's noticeable.

 

The FBI says it was an assassination attempt. Probably too early to know for sure, given the contradictory reports.

 

From what it sounds like, no one actually shot at him today.

These sorts of assassination attempts happen way more often than you'd think, and you usually never hear about them.

 

Given the overall context, it's not helping the cause at all.

Doesn't really matter if shots were fired at him.

 

I mean, don't try to shoot people is generally a good rule.

Politically, him actually getting shot, on video, didn't matter. Him potentially getting shot, but not, will be forgotten in about 2 days. If that.

 

Seriously. Victimhood is Trump’s superpower. Amazingly, given that he was born to great wealth and has managed to avoid responsibility for his actions all his dysfunctional life, but playing the victim works for him.

 

It's depends entirely on context though. And that hasn't been determined.

If the suspect has clear and obvious links to the left/Dems, etc...the narrative that gets spun up against "a radical left who want Trump dead" will be intense.

 

I read that today's (alleged) shooter is a republican - voted for him in 2016, Haley recently.

not sure the source is reliable though - anybody have any confirmed info?

 

Ryan Routh voted for Trump; donated to Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Yang, Tom Steyer, Beto O'Rourke, Elizabeth Warren; and then has tweets like this yearning for a Nikki Haley/Vivek Ramaswamy ticket — which is to say it's a bit hard to put him in a convenient little political box pic.twitter.com/rYaJwgMvxO

— Prem Thakker (@prem_thakker) September 15, 2024

 

thanks.

 

Yeah, I just disagree with the idea that it would matter.

They've been blaring that horn for years and applying it to voters themselves. "Democrats are trying to steal your guns, they're letting immigrants take over your communities, destroying your way of life," etc etc. They already "know" that the Democrats want Trump dead - of course they do, they want to destroy America!

If the attempted shooter has a D on his voter registration and is a card-carrying DSA member, it wouldn't matter an iota more than if it's a disaffected Republican or just like, an upset divorced guy, because it doesn't change a single thing about preconceived notions of Democrats as the enemy of Trump, MAGA, and America.

Edit: anyway, seems like this guy was probably just your standard American wackadoodle with too much access to guns and not enough access to mental health services, so we're definitely moving on from this by Wednesday.

 

was also a HUGE covid conspiracy theorist and had over 100 charges on his rap sheet, most from N Carolina as well as a history of mental illness so, yeah - give him a gun.

 

Seems the two people who have tried to take him out actually believed as lies which goes to the fact that maybe they weren't in the best state to begin withr

 

On the bright side, it's certainly changed the narrative away from Vance deliberately lying about Springfield and the orange idiot's disastrous debate performance. Many predicted something would happen to change the narrative, and it has.

 

I think it’s the other way around. I’m just speculating (you are too!) but in the American psyche Trump isn’t a politician, he’s a TV character. And we’ve been trained to know that in American television, they don’t kill off a character until the season finale. (Except the Sopranos, which killed them off in the penultimate episode. But I digress.)

I’m dead serious…I think most people think he’s in danger about like Rizzoli or Isles was in danger when she got kidnapped. (Never saw the show, but I’m very confident at least once in the show’s run, one or the other was kidnapped. And no viewers thought she might get killed because, well, it’s there in the name of the show.). The crazy person was never going to kill Cagney or Lacey, or Starsky or Hutch, or one of the Angels. (My references need updating.)

Plus, with Trump, there’s the whole boy who cried wolf thing. Every ********ing thing that happens to him is the worst thing that has ever happened to a president. He’s the guy who said maybe Lincoln was treated worse than him, but maybe not.

So when someone actually tries to treat him as badly as Lincoln was treated, it doesn’t feel real.

 

The replacement theory:

BREAKING: In a stunning new leak, JD Vance completely endorses Project 2025. Donald Trump can’t run from this now. Retweet so all Americans see this. pic.twitter.com/xlVYlF9Cql

— Kamala’s Wins (@harris_wins) September 16, 2024

 

There is no other way to explain this than just plain ignorance and stupidity with some added bigotry (stick it to JINA...). Those imbeciles could not explain tariffs if they needed to save their lives.

Donald Trump’s campaign vow to increase tariffs on imported goods, particularly from China, has the support of a narrow majority of U.S. voters, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll shows.

 

Early Signs of a Post-Debate Bounce for Harris


Nate Cohn: “The first few polls taken entirely since Tuesday’s debate show her faring better than polls taken beforehand. If history is any guide, it will still be a few more days — perhaps another week — until the full scope of any post-debate bounce becomes evident…”

“Overall, Vice President Harris leads Mr. Trump by three percentage points nationwide, according to The New York Times’s polling average. Already, that’s about a point better for Ms. Harris than our average Wednesday.”

“The contest is even tighter in the critical battleground states, where no candidate leads by even a single percentage point in enough states to win the 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency. The current leader in the poll average in five of the seven swing states — Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina and Arizona — is ahead by just one point or less.”