Pre-match: Can't believe it took this long for this thread, the 2024 Presidential election thread!

Discussion in 'Elections' started by ceezmad, Nov 7, 2020.

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Who will be the 2 Candidates for the 2 big parties in 2024

  1. Joe Biden

    34 vote(s)
    54.0%
  2. Kamala Harris

    20 vote(s)
    31.7%
  3. Bernie Sanders

    2 vote(s)
    3.2%
  4. Ted Cruz

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
  5. Donald Trump (from prison)

    27 vote(s)
    42.9%
  6. One of the Trump idiots

    4 vote(s)
    6.3%
  7. A Never Trump Republican

    2 vote(s)
    3.2%
  8. The dude from Florida (not florida man)

    6 vote(s)
    9.5%
  9. A Trumpian Republican

    10 vote(s)
    15.9%
  10. Hail Grimes!

    10 vote(s)
    15.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    @The Jitty Slitter, Exhibit #4567 ...I los5 count at this point. In what world, a paper, the so called "paper of record", can publish a headline like that? This is gaslighting at its best..

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  2. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

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    There are just so many better ways to do that.

    Harris: "Trump will repeal Obamacare"
    Trump claims he'll make it "better," but provides no plan or details
    Feel free to workshop from that, NYT.
     
  3. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
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    How about:

    Harris: "Trump will repeal Obamacare"
    Trump claims he'll improve it. But he said something similar in 2016.
     
  4. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2000
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    I'm pretty sure that for enough money, Mooch will be on team whatever you pay him to be on.
     
  5. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
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    Anyways, I saw a "Childless Cat Dude" bumper sticker today. On a pickup truck - a Toyota, so not, you know, a coal rolling F-350 or Dodge This or something awful like that. I did a quick search and didn't see anything like that for sale so the guy went to some effort to get that bumper sticker made up. It's only been two or three weeks since Vance's comments on childless cat ladies became widely known, so props to the guy in the Toyota pickup for making that bumper sticker happen.
     
  6. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
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    United States
    I see the value in this, especially since we’re really only seeing Vance campaigning. Get Harris, Walz, various surrogates - including Biden, who said he’d be campaigning for Harris in PA - buzzing around the country, while Trump slurs and limps his way from rally to rally.
     
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  7. the5timechamp

    the5timechamp Member+

    Nov 3, 2012
    Trumps advisors have told him to cool down the racial rhetoric…

    meanwhile the Trump acolytes continue on brand
     
  8. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
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    When your campaign has given up on trying to earn the black vote.
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    fully agree. i listened to an interview with Mooch about those times and he pretty clearly says that himself.
     
  10. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Belgium
    sure but i’ve agreed on this all along.

    headlines are written by the editors.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    This is why George Conway started his anti-psycho PAC - to try to get these narratives more visibility

    I listened to him explain it to Miller and he talked about how the MSM has tended not to cover Trumps insanity/cognitive issues
     
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    This is a great explainer on the "Competitive Authoritarian" movement - AKA American fascism.

    But the pretense of franchise combined with a commitment to elections actually made it possible for the postbellum south to legitimize its old and brutal racial hierarchies. In other words, the southern model consisted of a form of democracy that made authoritarianism electorally competitive.

    This competitive authoritarianism is now, Vox writer, Zack Beauchamp, provocatively argues in his new book, The Reactionary Spirit: How America’s Most Insidious Political Tradition Swept the World, serving as a model for autocratic, illiberal democracies such as Viktor Orbán’s Hungary, Benjamin Netanyahu’s Israel, and Narendra Modi’s India and generating political instability.

    https://www.theunpopulist.net/p/is-the-far-right-channeling-german
     
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  13. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    At some point, we may need stop with the “editors” excuse and point out that is a systemic media failure.
     
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  14. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    I've written extensively on this site about systematic media failure. I just think the conversation should be factual.
    I worry if we run down trust in the media we have, we help the bad guys. Of course that does not mean we should not call out the absurd behaviour of late in the NYT newsroom

    The state of the BBC is a good example of this. There are still great journalists there, but it is also true the Tories have been corrupting the newsroom from the top down.
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is some scary shit. If we want to talk media failure, IMO one big fail is failing to articulate how catastrophic this plan for the public service will be. This is like the purges of the cultural revolution - all scientific and free thought will be stamped out.


     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    If you are interested in high end media criticism I recommend Assoc. Prof Littau of Lehigh University

    Here he makes a great point that one of the things US media really struggles with, is that TRUMP/GOP do not respond to adverse coverage. For instance, you would think that 8 years of coverage of the Mueller investigation, the coup, the indictments, the conviction etc etc would cause GOP voters and pols to change course. But they didn't.

    Would it have mattered if Maggie H wrote her articles using different words like 'lie"? IMO not.

    How should the media react to such asymmetry? We might have to accept that for profit media is simply not fit for purpose.

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  17. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    Arsenal FC
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    That is very true that the GOP respond totally differently to adverse coverage. Having said that, we all can agree that the two parties are held to totally different standard. Trump particularly has been normalized and still is, as we can attest with the coverage the last few weeks, by the MSM and this is simply unquestionable.

    PS. You are the biggest Maggie H defender, kudos for that....lol. She is still pretty slimy though.
     
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  18. The Jitty Slitter

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  19. The Jitty Slitter

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  20. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    I have long held that direct or even indirect quotes from politicians should never be used as headlines.
     
  21. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

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  22. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

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    New Jersey
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  23. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Imagine how many GOP operatives are weeping over their Biden Crime Family dossiers right now
     
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  24. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

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    Watch the Hunter Biden laptop disappear from conversation. I don't even know what will happen with his court case
     
  25. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    CA Boca Juniors
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    Argentina
    I can see a future NY Times headline:

    "Harris says Trump will repeal elections. Trump says he will only make them better."
     

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