Pre-match: Can't believe it took this long for this thread, the 2024 Presidential election thread!

Discussion in 'Elections' started by ceezmad, Nov 7, 2020.

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Who will be the 2 Candidates for the 2 big parties in 2024

  1. Joe Biden

    34 vote(s)
    54.0%
  2. Kamala Harris

    20 vote(s)
    31.7%
  3. Bernie Sanders

    2 vote(s)
    3.2%
  4. Ted Cruz

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
  5. Donald Trump (from prison)

    27 vote(s)
    42.9%
  6. One of the Trump idiots

    4 vote(s)
    6.3%
  7. A Never Trump Republican

    2 vote(s)
    3.2%
  8. The dude from Florida (not florida man)

    6 vote(s)
    9.5%
  9. A Trumpian Republican

    10 vote(s)
    15.9%
  10. Hail Grimes!

    10 vote(s)
    15.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Front page of the online edition:

    Trump’s Chat With Musk Was Heavy on Talking Points and Familiar Falsehoods

    After a delayed start because of technical problems, Elon Musk proved a sympathetic listener to Donald Trump for more than two hours on X.

    (This is from the live feed.)
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    Despite Donald Trump’s claims, photos and videos showed a large crowd at Kamala Harris’s rally in Detroit.

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    Ezra Klein

    Nate Silver on How Kamala Harris Changed the Odds

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    What the Polls Say About Harris Erasing Trump’s Lead on the Economy

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    Paul Krugman

    Trump Calls Harris a ‘Communist.’ That Shows How Worried He Is.

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    Haven't read any of them, but the headlines suggest they are not kissing Trump's ass.
     
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  2. The Jitty Slitter

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    How is this blue MAGA schtick any different than what Trumpers do?
     
  3. The Jitty Slitter

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    The reason Trump is attacking Maggie H is because she just wrote her 1000th expose of how shambolic he is.

    Yet somehow she is a bootlicker.

    Of course we wish the editors of the NYT would do a better job of framing and also fire Bret Stephens and co, but this conspiratorial stuff is getting silly.
     
  4. Deadtigers

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    Blue Maga? I am sorry can you clarify your point? I think you are implying my comment was inappropriate but I am confused as to the line crossed.
     
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  5. charlie15

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    #4230 charlie15, Aug 13, 2024
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    Hold on…. Let’s not rewrite history here. We can’t so quickly forget that Maggy had spent the past few years trading access to the Trump WH in exchange for “normalizing “ this psychopath.
    Now that she wrote an article mildly critical of Trump she suddenly becomes a model of journalistic integrity. Give me a break. We have receipts and memory.

    This is Maggy in her own words:
    Haberman not only feasted on the Trump White House leaks, she benefited from direct access to him, thanks in part to the time she spent at Rupert Murdoch's New York Post, which often served as a p.r. arm for Trump during his New York City days. "Longevity, just being around him a long time, is something he values," Haberman once explained of her relationship with Trump.


    She is shameless. She should at least send him some of the money she got for writing her books on the Trump presidency.
     
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  6. Hayaka

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    Not surprising for July, coming right after Biden’s debate catastrophe. The August numbers should be much better for the Dems.
     
  7. lanman

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    Also from the Guardian - Marina Hyde

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ald-trump-elon-musk-x-twitter-politician-tech
     
  8. JamesA

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    Trump actually thinks people viewing the train wreck is helping him.

    Screenshot_2024-08-13-07-52-49-77_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg
     
  9. charlie15

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    This is good too from the Guardian:

    The men’s joint appearance in an audio conversation on X on Monday night was, as expected, a display of two planet-sized egos, toxic masculinity and breathtaking mendacity. More surprisingly it was also dull, like sitting with two drunks at a bar trying to set the world to rights over more than two hours.

    The main message: if Trump doesn’t win the election, and if Musk doesn’t become the emperor of the universe, you’re not going to have a country any more.
     
  10. charlie15

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    Are you for real? o_O
     
  11. diablodelsol

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    Keith Richards has entered the chat.
     
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    Here is part of what Haberman and Jonathan Swan wrote which seemingly made shit gibbon so angry

     
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  13. soccernutter

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    You really have boarded the superdave TOTL train.
     
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  14. soccernutter

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    She's both.
     
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  15. The Jitty Slitter

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    calling Haberman a bootlicker is conspiratorial nonsense. anyone can look up 100s of negative articles she wrote about Trump.
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    the reason she gets so much access to trump world is because Trump loves the NYT.

    all well documented by people like John Heilemann. but i guess he is fake news as well.
     
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  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    Greg Sargent has a great piece with a youth pollster on KHs huge upswing with this demo.

    there is interesting discussion of why the Biden campaign struggled to reach this group.

    his daily podcast is one of the best out there if critique of the media landscape is your thing.
     
  18. ArsenalMetro

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    It's not conspiratorial at all.

    She did a ton of legwork to legitimize Trump and call excessive attention to Hillary's comparatively minor scandals (but her emails!) and used terminology towards Hillary that she wouldn't towards Trump.

    Whether she was later critical of Trump isn't all that relevant - she, and the Times more broadly, are a big reason that Trump ever got elected in the first place.

    Bootlicker might be a harsh term, but amoral access merchant isn't.
     
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  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    i agree the times fecked up on the emails. but remember Haberman is not an editor at the times. she doesn’t decide how they frame and balance the coverage

    or is the conspiracy they she tried to get trump elected???
     
  20. ArsenalMetro

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    A writer doesn't have any agency in how they frame a story?

    Also, I don't exactly buy the argument that she tried to get Trump elected...but if a writer at the Times was trying to get Trump elected, what would they have done differently than Haberman?
     
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  21. soccernutter

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    One thing that became very clear in the weeks leading up to Biden withdrawing (both before and after the debate), was how much the media lusted for the drama that it had grown accustomed to under Trump. It is still clear that the possibility of Trump being President (again) is Pavlov ringing the bell. Because it makes their jobs easier.

    Biden killed that, as Obama had before, and the Dems had, since Pelosi became speaker, kept a tight ship. That the Dems were showing chaos in the lead up to the Biden withdraw was the drama that the press wanted.

    What this means is that the press want Trump for their jobs. Whether that is as President for access, for to write critical pieces because of what he said, or what happened on the inside. As an example, the Trump campaign got hacked. That is boring. That is normal. And the number of press stories about it show that. Now, if something salacious comes out, such as Vance actually ********ing a couch, that will get play. But as of now, it does not rise to the level of drama that Trump produces. So it is a low level story.

    All of this is personified by Haberman. She got the access to Trump, which made her career easier. That she had close access made her job easier. But she had to do the crappy thing and write generally positive things about him (as an example of what happens when not, see how Acosta got his WH press pass pulled). But now that she no longer has that same access (because he is not President), she gets to write the critical pieces.

    This doesn't mean that what she wrote should be minimized in any way, nor do I think she should be given any pass for what she wrote. But it should be put in some context of who the President was, and his pettiness.
     
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  22. rslfanboy

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    The editors are the main problem at the f********ing NYT. Maggie is problematic in being an access journalist, but she has said a bunch of stuff critical of Trump.

    She may or may not be on board with it, but editorial is requiring them to use stenographer-like watered down terminology to describe Trump, and editors write the headlines. And frankly, if she were to put things in clearly blunt terms without plausible “fairness,” she and the NYT would lose this access.

    Maggie is largely why we know so much messed up stuff inside Trumps inner orbit.
     
  23. Minnman

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    The press may want Trump "for their job." But, evidently, the fact that he treats them like shit, refers to them as enemies of the state, and would happily see them all imprisoned or lined in front of a firing squad is somehow irrelevant.
     
  24. charlie15

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    #4249 charlie15, Aug 13, 2024
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    She gets access because she has been doing his bidding since the days she was at the NY Post, FFS. Dude that is serious revisionist history here. You are not going to whitewash Maggy H here. There is a whole thread on how the media is failing us and among others, Maggy H should be the poster child for our media failure.

    "she benefited from direct access to him, thanks in part to the time she spent at Rupert Murdoch's New York Post, which often served as a p.r. arm for Trump during his New York City days.


    Among the revelations in the recently released materials from the January 6th committee was an account of a conversation that took place in May, 2022, between the former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson and the former White House ethics attorney Stefan Passantino. Hutchinson had just finished her third deposition with the committee. Passantino, her lawyer at the time, was in a taxi with her on the way to a restaurant. According to Hutchinson, Passantino’s phone rang—it was the Times reporter Maggie Haberman. Hutchinson asked her counsel not to take the call. “I don’t want this out there,” she remembers saying. “Don’t worry,” Passantino allegedly reassured her. “Like, Maggie’s friendly to us. We’ll be fine."

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/persons-of-interest/maggie-haberman-the-confidence-mans-chronicler
     
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  25. Kazuma

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    Media loves Republicans since Reagan took office. That and because they don't want to be on the receiving end of bias criticisms. As I've also said, they don't want to be political reporters, they want to be sports reporters. They want to be entertainment reporters. I get it, the political beat can be monotonous, but it's serious work. And they wouldn't last 5 seconds as sports reporters.
     

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