Pre-match: Can't believe it took this long for this thread, the 2024 Presidential election thread!

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— Ricky Davila (@TheRickyDavila) June 30, 2024

 

The question is, where are those Latino voters? Unless they’re in Pennsylvania, Michigan or Wisconsin, I’m not going to worry about them too much.**

Not to mention, if 24% are favoring RFK, those are clearly double haters who would probably be open to a different Dem candidate.

**Thinking Arizona and Nevada not really in play anymore.

 

There was an excellent Atlantic Monthly article about this situation (or I should say all the situations) in Arizona. And there seems to be a strong sentiment that Democrats are distant and isn't really helping the working class. And I'm sure some of that is true. The problem is the rhetoric is all driven by Republican viewpoints, where Democrats are blamed for lack of progress or caring about weird people instead of regular ones.

The most important thing you can do is look at places with strong Democratic power and see what they really believe in. For example, California has drastically raised the minimum wage and has given workers lots of new rights. If it isn't like that in other states or nationally, it's not because Democrats don't want that or aren't working for that or are distracted by trans rights, it's because Republicans fight against that and keep it from happening. Just like how Republicans take credit for the infrastructure bill that they voted against, they give Democrats blame for all the working class relief they succeed in stopping.

The most important thing I don't think these people recognize is that while things are not as good as they should be or could be, things could get so, so much worse.

 

Again that is the press and church. Remember, Univision is in the bag for Trump and Sonia Goya. Plus the Catholic Church is hella anti Dem. The problem is also a lack of civics. People expect the new party to fix things immediately not realizing it takes years to control inflation and no news org is explaining that

 

If there's evidence of this, it's Michigan. Been voting Dems for President consistently (Despite Trump winning one year, I still don't think it's a swing state for a variety of reasons), but at the state level, with Republicans being in charge or having a hand in government for 40 years, they were able to shape things the way they wanted it. MI GOP did things to keep it in their favor, so much so that voters approved an independent redistricting commission in 2022.

I should add that since Dems got their trifecta, a crap ton of things have been passed that should have been passed years ago. All the MI GOP did was pass a ban on local governments banning plastic bags, approve right to work (Which got repealed), and of course, poison a city.

That said, if there's any reason I'm cautiously optimistic about Dems (Including Presidency if certain Dems could stop soiling themselves) in the near term, it's the MI GOP. Since they've lost, they've been fully embracing the kind of crazy that gets the angry uncle shunned from Thanksgiving dinner. Arizona, same with them embracing Blake Masters. Same reason why I kept saying DeSantis (Hahahahahaha) wasn't going to go anywhere, too weird and offputting. That, and again, Dobbs.

 

And yet:
Trump's edge over Biden takes notable leap in Michigan

You're right. At this point Michigan is not a swing state. Trump leads Biden by 7 points.

 

I don't know if you read that article, but I did and have some doubts.

600 polled in a metro area of 4 million for one, that's got me skeptical. And even then, I'm curious where they polled and the of the location of where those respondents were from. That same article mentions that Trump has a lead in Oakland County. Oakland is currently being run by an openly gay Dem. So I'm curious if they're polling in places like Commerce or Milford townships, which has a rep for being conservative. Same with Wayne County, are they polling Downriver? Because Downriver (And Macomb) is pretty much what Whitelandia is.

Not to mention that on a state level, MI Dems won a trifecta in 2022 with healthy margins, lost that majority (Let's become mayors!) only to gain it back. Then there is as I mentioned, the Ottawa County recall election, which is blood red as it gets and yet a Dem won that one.

Anyway, again, it's July.

 

Hillary was up 4.5. just saying.

 

Now let's see what happens. I am done with the Dems. They will get my vote but not a dime from me.

 

Well then.

We're pretty much in uncharted waters now.

 

Party like its 1968.

 

Now what?

 

Let's do this.

 

Now we get to see if instead of article after article of "omg Biden is so old, no way I can vote for him!!!!!!11111" we get article after article of "OMG Harris is nothing but a DEI hire, no way I can vote for her!!!!!1111".

I hope this move works out, but I'm skeptical.

 

The only thing the press wants is drama. They are going to keep the dramarama going as long as possible.

 

That's the reality of this decision. The optimal decision would have occurred more than a couple years. The optimal decision didn't happen. And that's where the real political failure lies. So, here we are, on July 21, 2024 -- about 4 weeks until the Democratic Party's convention. They finally did what was necessary. And I do think it was necessary. But it doesn't excuse the political malpractice that led to this moment.

I keep going back to what I said in a different thread a couple weeks ago:

Here's what should keep you up at night: you need to be politically brilliant over the next few weeks to pull off the whirlwind campaign that's going to be needed to elevate the new nominee into the strong, heroic, unifying standard-bearer that he or she needs to be. But the Democrats aren't exactly known for their political brilliance.