Canadian Division II League in the works

Discussion in 'Canada' started by Robert Borden, Dec 16, 2019.

  1. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
     
  2. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    I'm excited about the CPL and also about the growth of D3 including the new L1BC. I'm still puzzled about the economics of the proposed D2.

    D3 makes sense because it is very low budget soccer. From my own connections I know that an L1O team can be run on a budget of $50 000 (although some probably spend more). L1BC is apparently asking for $60 000.

    Firm budget information for the CPL is hard to come by. Taking various statements and rumours, however, we were told that the ownership groups were going to "invest" $5 million per year per team. Payroll is rumoured to be around $1 million so that means ~$4 million for non-payroll costs. These numbers may be off a bit but they seem reasonable for national level travel teams based on information that has been released over the years for other leagues.

    The proposed D2 is still a national travel level league. Even in the lowest-cost option where the players were unpaid, the non-payroll expenses are still going to be similar to the CPL.

    How many cities/ownership groups are there where it would make sense to run a $4 million D2 team but going all the way to a $5 million D1 team is out of the question?

    It seems more like cities/ownership groups can either float a low budget D3 team or a full budget D1 team. There doesn't seem to be much benefit to, say, the TSS Rovers to fly to, say, D2 Moncton instead of D1 Halifax.
     
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  3. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Seems like the proposed format would be CHL style in D2 and not D3 which points out to provincial Leagues. This would slash travel costs quite a bit while adopting a format already known to Canadians and popular which could lead to a "Memorial Cup"

    We don't know any numbers but the main positive point is that amateur & semi-pro are willing to step up to become fully pro due to the changes within Canadian soccer.

    They have lots of years to figure out how it can work. There's a willingness that wasn't there before

    TSS Rovers would be in D2 "Western League or Pacific League". There would be no flying all over the place.

    I'm speculating that promoting brings the added perks of a bigger pie of the CSB TV revenues, increased attendance and merchandise but most importantly, much more sponsorship and corporate revenues helping them operating in the D1 league.

    Worse come to worse, like elsewhere, a promoted club is free to go the following route

    1-Spend a lot to be competitive within CPL (Exemple a Regina club owned by the CFL Roughriders could)

    2-spend to avoid relegation (example a Kelowna Club)

    3-Minimize spending at all cost which will get you relegated and someone else will go to CPL and perhaps spend more. (Example, Kingston wins the promotion unexpectedly and are unwilling/unable to spend like the rest)
     
  4. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
     
  5. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
     
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  6. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  7. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    In summary, they are doing a lot of thinking but don't have information on any actual plans.

    They suggest four groups that might be interested in D2:

    - teams currently in USL2 that are worried about the CSA pulling their sanctioning
    - Canadian MLS teams looking for options for their reserve sides
    - potential CPL expansion groups that want to test a market
    - existing D3 teams that want take another step up

    They suggest that D2 could actually be more like a tournament than a true league (at least to start) and that it could be divided into east and west regions.
     
  8. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    The D2 being talked about right now is like you said, the tournament or an expanded version of the Saskatchewan series. The CPL is aware but not that involved with it for now.

    The goal of the tournament would be to allow investors to test their markets before committing to CPL (either tiers). This allows places like Kelowna, Sherbrooke or other mid-size market to field a team and test.

    The establishment of a proper D2 league starts and end with CPL. Those groups are just being proactively exploring their market and where they could potentially fit whereas it could be CPL or D2 or D3.

    If their testing shows that CPL is too high, then they would know that D2 is a better place to start and build from there until potentially promoting to CPL
     
  9. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of the tweets says "that would play from May to August," so that's four months if all of May and August were used. At one game per week, there's time for a double round-robin group of six (10 games) or quadruple round-robin group of four (12 games) followed by playoffs. If clubs play about six away games, that's not much travel.
     

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