The one I remember almost verged on a Red Card for a DOGSO. Brobbey had turned him and might have been in on goal had he not been pulled back.
de Ligt - yikes. ref felt in our favor. 2-2 feels fair. was exciting all around, hope for the same in München!
Nagelsmann said himself today the Italians advised him to take Tah off Referee gave Nagelsmann subtle hint during half-time Julian Nagelsmann received advice from referee Davide Massa during the break. At the press conference, the German national coach said that the Italian advised him via a subtle hint to take Jonathan Tah off the field for the match against the Netherlands. Tah had a hard time with Brian Brobbey in the first half . National coach Ronald Koeman had already noticed that the defender needed a lot of fouls. That earned him a yellow card after more than twenty minutes. 'The referee gave us a little hint during the break', Nagelsmann said about Tah, who played with fire after already having been yellow. Nagelsmann decided to take that advice to heart and took Tah off at half-time for Waldemar Anton. 'I didn't want to take the risk either', said Nagelsmann, who earlier in the first half had already given Pascal Gross instructions to come and help Tah. 'I told him to double up with Jona and shield the pass.' 'Because Brobbey is physically insanely good and very difficult to defend. Tah already had a yellow card and couldn't afford much more. That's why I had already told the two controlling midfielders that they had to come back a bit earlier.' https://www.vi.nl/nieuws/scheidsrechter-gaf-nagelsmann-in-de-rust-subtiele-hint They did him a favor
In the 25th minute it should have been a red card for fouling Brobbey with a free pitch towards the goal and in the 52nd minute it should have been a penalty.
Well, I give Brobbey a 9 for linking up/assisting/causing havoc, but a 2 for being a striker. His second(?) shot was way off target and the way he plays willnot get him many shots at the goal (with his back turned towards the goalie). He has speed and shouldnot go into Eredivisie ass against defender mode at this level. It doesnot work.
Hmmmm, if I am reading the ratings correctly Ryan Gravenberch was the highest ranked player on the night.
34764 Well, the first two matches of the NL show how wrong this shit coach was by selecting AND, while being shit keep Memphis playing at the EURO2024. The dynamics of the play of the Orange Squad with Zirkzee and Brobbey are on a completely different level than with Memphis in the last ten Orange matches. I heared some idiot in a footballshow saying that when Memphis recovers and gets more playing time in Brasil, he still is our best striker and should be selected. Man, if you say that you really didnot pay attention. It's time over for Depay. Period.
Though De Ligt made another foolish mistake, VDV was liable for the 2nd goal as he lost his man he should mark. He was not that reliable in Oranje jersey. Should we try Botman in this position?
34796 The German media can live with the hard-fought draw against the Dutch national team. One player of the Dutch in particular can count on praise after the 2-2 draw against Die Mannschaft, but Matthijs de Ligt – as an ex-player of Bayern Munich – does not escape criticism. "With a lot of passion and a bit of luck, the German national team has passed the extreme endurance test against arch-rival the Netherlands," Sky begins. Julian Nagelsmann's side fought their way to a 2-2 draw in a wild classic after serious starting problems. Positive despite significant defensive weaknesses: in Amsterdam, they were not deterred by the fastest goal conceded in 50 years and an extremely shaky first half hour. They never gave up." Sky also dwells on the sloppy and weak Matthijs de Ligt, who was at the basis of the 1-1. 'Fatal mistake with consequences. Against Bosnia and Herzegovina, Matthijs de Ligt was back in the starting line-up after seven games in a row and caused a goal against due to a misjudgment. On Tuesday evening, in the smashing duel in the Nations League with Germany, the former Bayern defender made another serious mistake. 'The Netherlands may have deserved more' 'DFB team defies early shock', begins Sport1, which speaks of a hard-fought match. 'The Nations League match between the Netherlands and Germany offered a lot of spectacle, but didn't produce a winner.' Kicker can live with the draw, as the Dutch made a good impression. Germany showed backbone after conceding its fastest goal in 50 years. In the end, it was a draw against the strong Dutch team. They may have earned more. From the start, the Dutch looked fresher and braver. Germany seemed impressed by the good atmosphere in the Johan Cruijff Arena.' 'Sharing points with the neighbour', BILD concludes. 'Germany struggled to a 2-2 draw in the classic against the Netherlands.' TZ thinks the draw is a fair reflection of the proportions. "Overall, the 2-2 is okay. The Netherlands were more active in the first half, Germany in the second half, without really convincing', is the final conclusion. 'The Netherlands force a draw against Germany, but the curse against top countries remains', headlines Sporza in Belgium. In Ronald Koeman's second term, the Dutch have not yet managed to beat a top country. 'England and France at the European Championship, Germany in the European Championship preparation. (…) Despite some chances for both countries, it remained at 2 goals each. And so, again, no victory for the Orange. On 14 October, they will get a new chance in Germany.' In England, two things are highlighted in the draw of the Netherlands: the worries for Pep Guardiola after the dropping out of Nathan Aké ('horror injury', fears The Sun) and the mistake of Matthijs de Ligt, who was substituted halfway. 'De Ligt is having a nightmare night: his mistake leads to an equaliser', notes GOAL. "These seem like Harry Maguire vibes," writes the Manchster United-oriented UTDQuarters. 'The Netherlands - Germany is always synonymous with spectacle and this match did not disappoint', says Mundo Deportivo. 'The team led by Koeman looked again and again for Brobbey, who played strongly, taking Tah and Schlotterbeck out of the zone, which he drove crazy. He spun away with a lot of force, released teammates and allowed two Germany defenders to get yellow cards.' Tah was substituted at half-time for a reason. Gravenberch also received compliments from the medium for 'a masterful pass'. 'The home team had the game under control with less possession.'
We were the slightly better team and I thought we deserved the win, but the I'll take the single point. Brobbey (aside from his finishing) was immense. I know we havent played 4-4-2 in a long time, but what would Oranje look like with Zirk/Brobbey up front??
No, the shirt pulling in the box, preventing iirc Gakpo, but might also have been Gravenberch, to reach the long ball around the penalty spot.
Interview in English with https://nos.nl/video/2536688-kimmic...edstrijd-om-te-spelen-het-was-een-hoog-niveau Kimmich thought the Netherlands-Germany was a fun match to play: 'It was a high level' Joshua Kimmich thought the Netherlands-Germany was not only a fun match to watch, but also to play, the German said afterwards
34971 https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footba...ague-thriller-as-titans-end-level_552597.html A rousing UEFA Nations League clash at Johan Cruijff Arena ended all-square between the Netherlands and Germany, who are now tied at the top of League A Group 3 on four points following a 2-2 draw. The mostly orange-clad fans in Amsterdam were treated to a frantic first half, in which Tijjani Reijnders opened the scoring within two minutes, before momentum turned and the visitors struck twice to turn the game on its head. It appeared that it might be more of the same after the break, as Denzel Dumfries sprinted forward from full-back to pull the hosts back on level terms against their old rivals, as a breathless encounter showed no signs of slowing. However, the spoils were shared in a sometimes spiky contest, during which neither side spared themselves for their imminent return to club football. Germany had pulled themselves back into it when Deniz Undav netted his first international goal by following up a saved shot from Florian Wirtz; and soon after Dutch defender Nathan Ake was taken off injured, Joshua Kimmich popped up to convert the visitors' second. A cross deflected into the path of Germany's captain by Undav was duly converted from close range, and that stoppage-time strike set up a potentially grandstand second half. Both teams had smashed five past their opening opponents, but they then missed a hatful of chances to score more in the Dutch capital, as only Dumfries' 50th-minute leveller ultimately found the net. Finally, the tempo dipped when heading into the final half-hour, and a series of substitutions seemed to signal both managers would be happy with a point - after all, Hungary and Bosnia-Herzegovina are the other teams in Group 3, and the top two will both go through to the quarter-finals. Nonetheless, this game leaves fans and neutrals alike in eager anticipation of these sides' next Nations League meeting, just over a month from now.
View attachment 271888 Aura shattered Who says nobody cares about the Nations League? From the moment the Dutch national anthem began to play, the Johan Cruyff Arena roared to life. Just like that this was not the exuberant home team of EURO 2024, nor the dominating side that smashed Hungary 5-0 last weekend — but the second-most confident in a hostile stadium. This Netherlands side proved its gumption from the off. Even before AC Milan’s Tijjani Reijnders landed a shocking opening blow in the 2nd minute, the Dutch press had Germany reeling — backing itself into corners in build-up, forced into desperate clearances and dicey cross-field passes in defense. Any overall team strength deficits the Dutch might have had, they more than made up for it with initiative and physicality. By halftime, Joshua Kimmich was sporting a torn shirt collar and Deniz Undav had a cotton stuffed in his nose. The glass half full view says this was good practice for Germany — who have faced this horror show too many times before, having to battle back down 1-0 against determined opposition. The resilience the Germans displayed in fighting back — to take a 2-1 lead, only to succumb to a thoroughly deserved second concession after waves of Dutch pressure to start the second half — is at least somewhat reassuring. The pessimist’s takeaway, though, is that Germany left its first post-EUROs matchup against top-level competition with more questions than answers. Defense in the spotlight Both teams hauled off a center-back at half-time, and deservingly. Ronald Koeman substituted former Bayern Munich defender Matthijs de Ligt after a dreadful display and Julian Nagelsmann removed current Bayern transfer target Jonathan Tah after, well: It is hard to immediately put a finger on what went wrong for the German defense. Tah and center-back partner Nico Schlotterbeck (Borussia Dortmund) were seemingly dragged out of position at will by the Netherlands, who played vertically or in transition with far too much ease. Germany’s offensive aggression frequently came back to bite, with less-than-pacy Robert Andrich (Bayer Leverkusen) — nominally the more defensive midfielder in the new double pivot — getting caught upfield and having to scamper fruitlessly after Dutch ball-carriers on multiple occasions. But tactics aside, it was simply not a promising display. Tah and Schlotterbeck both lapsed in concentration in key moments — at one point Tah seeming to fall asleep while tracking Dutch forward Brian Brobbery in transition, allowing the latter free space to receive in the German box — and this is not new for either of them. Manuel Neuer’s absence is also being felt. FC Barcelona No. 1 Marc-André ter Stegen is a fine shot-stopper in his own right, but Neuer brought a swagger — especially to build-up — that is all but gone now. Germany needs at least solidity at the back. Perhaps we’ll be seeing more of Waldemar Anton in the future. Midfield MIA Nagelsmann’s most notable substitutions came midway through the second half, when he replaced his entire midfield pivot — Andrich and Pascal Groẞ (BVB) making way for Emre Can and Aleksandar Pavlović. Pavlović, especially, was a difference-maker, injecting much-needed dynamism into the German engine room. It is evident the Bayern youngster has been studying club teammate Joshua Kimmich, developing an eye for dangerous passes over the top. Pavlović showed bravery going into challenges as well, spurring a tempo increase to Germany’s game as exemplified by the two double-chances he made shortly before the 70th minute — slipping Kai Havertz in near goal before winning the ball back deep in midfield minutes later and driving forward once more. With Andrich and Groß starting, Germany looked stilted today. The pivots were left lobbing the ball over to the wings for crosses into no-man’s land — against the likes of Virgil van Dijk? — while Germany’s best passers, Joshua Kimmich and Florian Wirtz, were shunted and suffocated towards the sidelines and tight spaces. It just might be time for Pavlović to claim a starting spot in the midfield. A new #13 rises Thomas Müller has retired but Germany has found a new goal scorer for the #13 jersey. VfB Stuttgart dynamo Deniz Undav earned the start in place of injured striker Niclas Füllkrug (West Ham United) and, though it took him time to settle in, supplied a sublime goal and assist. The 28-year-old with the slick first touch surely has a claim to be Germany’s most dangerous player of the day and was a surprising substitution, given his contributions. That Undav found the back of the net — and Arsenal FC’s Kai Havertz did not — will do nothing to ease the conversations around Germany’s best striker options. Bonus: Take a bow, Ryan Gravenberch The former Bayern man endured a lousy single year in Bavaria back when Julian Nagelsmann was still head coach (up to March, anyway). But he’s come a long way in the seasons since. Now 22, the Liverpool man is starting games for club and country — and absolutely dazzled with some of the prettiest passes of the match, including that opening assist. From a Bayern perspective, Gravenberch joins what is getting to be a long list of recent investments in young players — also De Ligt and Noussair Mazraoui (both Manchester United) — who transferred away before having the chance to truly blossom for the Bavarians. It is good to see him finding his feet.