Can Ronald Koeman Lead the Oranje Crush to Victory

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by Orange14, Dec 10, 2022.

  1. Vermoedelijke opstelling Nederlands elftal tegen Duitsland (1-4-3-3)
    Verbruggen; Dumfries, Geertruida, Van Dijk, Aké; Schouten, Reijnders, Q. Timber; Simons, Brobbey, Gakpo.
     
  2. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    This is a weaker line-up as what he played against Bosnia, lol.

    Geertruida will be exposed hugely. It is not like there are no other options.
     
  3. Apart from your hate against Geertruida for whatever reason, which option from those above?
     
  4. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Mar 4, 2023
    Amsterdam and Marbella
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Koeman did the best with the material he was given, especially since we we're missing our 2 best MF'ers (Koop/Frenkie)
     
  5. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Mar 4, 2023
    Amsterdam and Marbella
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    At the end of the day Nations L. games are just glorified friendlies.
    Koeman just wants to try different players.
    I got no problem with this
     
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  6. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Geerfrauda was exposed against Austria at the euros and also at the nations league final four in 2023. Completely useless player.

    Van de Ven, Ake, Timber as CB are obviously better and so is Van Hecke. Geertruida is really a walking disaster with atrocious positional sense.
     
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  7. You were spouting hatred towards him long before that with that same disingenious naming you use when at Feyenoord, but never came up with reasons in his play that supported it.
    You expose yourself as a hateful person, like when you spout the "traitor" lable towards certain players.

    I suppose you mean JTimber, the guy who was subpar as CD at Ajax after iirc Martinez left. As a sidekick of Martinez he got hyped to be top, but after he was on his own, his real strength showed. Just look up the ratings from that season I posted.
    Are you becoming a Koeman, by putting players in spots they don't belong, given their capabilities?
    Ake to the right?
     
  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Geerfrauda cancelled offside numerous times in the final four of the Nations League. It was awful and it cost us.

    He has been bumped ahead of many others playing at higher levels. Even Doekhi has played at higher levels!
     
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  9. Uhm, you forget the results now have an impact on your qualification run for the Worldcup (and when due the EURO too), so that mantra of glorified friendlies is a bygone for some time now, but still that mantra is being tossed in.
     
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  10. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    #786 Jpows, Sep 9, 2024
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    Did he? He started out with dumb selections which were forcefully improved by injuries. One of our biggest problem the past Euro’s was Depay and he kept selecting him over and over and made excuses for him all Euro long.

    That’s all a seperate argument though and has nothing to do with the FACT that we had the MUCH easier route than the squads on the other side of the bracket.

    If you’re honest with yourself you’d admit that had we been on the other side of the bracket it is VERY likely that we would have crashed out earlier.

    The truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.
     
  11. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Mar 4, 2023
    Amsterdam and Marbella
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    #787 Brilliant Oranje, Sep 9, 2024
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    We can finish 3rd in Nations L. group and still end up in pot 1 for WC2026 qualifying
     
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  12. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Mar 4, 2023
    Amsterdam and Marbella
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    #788 Brilliant Oranje, Sep 9, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2024
    Agreed on the lucky side of the bracket, but Koeman was hoping Depay would turn it around and find his form, but that never happened. His other options wouldve been the untested Brobbey/Zirkzee and that would have been very risky to put them into a high pressure tournament like that.

    BTW didnt you also say 3 years ago that Danjuma would be a starter for Oranje by now??
     
  13. Oh, and go tell Germans or Dutch a match between the two with something at stake is a glorified friendly.
    Fans hoffen auf Kracher in Amsterdam
    Sportlich ist also alles angerichtet, wenn die beiden Erzrivalen am Dienstag (ab 20.45 Uhr im Audiostream und im Live-Ticker bei sportschau.de) in Amsterdam in der Gruppe A3 aufeinandertreffen. Die Fans erwarten nichts anderes als einen Kracher.
     
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  14. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    #790 Jpows, Sep 9, 2024
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    Lol. You just did it again. Introducing a whole other argument to divert attention from the one we’re arguing. Whataboutism on full display.

    Anyway, I’ll go with it. Fans and pundits alike knew that there was no ‘regaining form’ for Depay and he had to be benched. And, surprise surprise, he never did. So that’s not a really good argument IMO. Furthermore, there’s no way you can argue that Zirkzee/Brobbey could have done worse than Depay as he did close to nothing good with a few exceptions.

    As for the argument about Danjuma, once more you ignore certain facts. Number one, injuries certainly played a role in the consistency he needed to become a starter for the NT.

    Secondly, I never said that explicitly without any context like for example ‘with his talent, he’ll surely become a starter’ or ‘if he keeps this up, he’ll surely become a starter’ or something to that effect as I’m not one to speak in absolutes, especially without context. Can you provide the post(s) in question?
     
  15. How fast are the German attackers? Ake and van Dijk arenot fast enough anymore.
     
  16. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    We need (arguably) the fastest CB in the PL, our boy van de Ven.
     
  17. And we havenot selected the fastest BuLi defenders, our Maatsen, van de Berg and now Frimpong has left the building too.
     
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  18. Our attacking stats vs Bosnia:
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    and the rest:
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  19. Germany's distribution and defending vs Hungary:
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  20. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Mar 4, 2023
    Amsterdam and Marbella
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    The alternative wouldve been to start Brobbey or Zirkzee, and if they had shit the bed in a high pressure tournament you risk ruining their confidence. Young players like them need to be brought into Oranje slowly like Koeman is doing now

    I clearly remember you saying Danjuma needed to be selected for Oranje based on his performance in 2nd tier English football (Bournemouth), to which I said he plays against terrible opposition in Championship L. football and needs to be tested against better defenders in the top leagues.

    You certainly made the case in your posts that Danjuma should be selected.
    I disagreed with that, and I still disagree with that.

    Danjuma couldnt cut it for Spurs, got loaned out to Everton, couldnt cut it there, and is now loaned out to Girona where he has only played 1 game so far. Not the type of player who belongs in Oranje.

    Your posts:
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/watch-list-attackers-orange-team.2106810/page-20#post-39487826
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/2...lifying-matches.2114194/page-24#post-39884569
     
  21. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    Lol. It’s hard to take you seriously when your source is “justtrustmebro”. What’s more, you just proved my point with your quotes of my posts as it proves I never spoke in absolutes like you suggested.

    As I already mentioned in the post you quoted - which you obviously didn’t read - I may well have argued his case, and rightfully so as he was selected for the NT due to his talent and consistency at the time. An argument that can be made for anyone in a similar position. I don’t understand what your point is.

    I’m still waiting on the posts to prove that I said what you posted…
     
  22. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Mar 4, 2023
    Amsterdam and Marbella
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Look dude, you clearly said Danjuma would become an Oranje player at some point.
    I said he wouldnt.
    I was right, you were wrong.
    Right now Danjuma has Malen, Simons, Gakpo, Frimpong, Kluivert and probably Lang ahead of him.
    Sometimes its just best to admit you're wrong and take the L.

    I'm not gonna argue this any further.
    Have a nice day [​IMG]
     

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