Can Ronald Koeman Lead the Oranje Crush to Victory

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  1. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
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    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    In possession it will be 3 in the back.
     
  2. Checking my notes...:p
    Definitieve selectie Oranje
    Doel: Justin Bijlow (Feyenoord), Mark Flekken (SC Freiburg) en Andries Noppert (SC Heerenveen).

    Verdediging: Nathan Aké (Manchester City), Sven Botman (Newcastle United), Virgil van Dijk (Liverpool), Denzel Dumfries (Inter), Lutsharel Geertruida (Feyenoord), Matthijs de Ligt (Bayern München), Tyrell Malacia (Manchester United) en Jurriën Timber (Ajax).

    Middenveld: Frenkie de Jong (Barcelona), Teun Koopmeiners (Atalanta), Marten de Roon (Atalanta), Joey Veerman (PSV), Mats Wieffer (Feyenoord) en Georginio Wijnaldum (AS Roma).


    Aanval: Steven Bergwijn (Ajax), Cody Gakpo (Liverpool), Noa Lang (Club Brugge), Donyell Malen (Borussia Dortmund), Xavi Simons (PSV) en Wout Weghorst (Manchester United).








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  3. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
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    So frenkie as DM I suppose.
     
  4. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
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    Amsterdam and Marbella
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    I dont know much about Wieffer. Can he play DM??
    If so, then swap him with Frenkie I guess
     
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  7. Brilliant Oranje

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  8. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
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    Arsenal FC
    If im not wrong than feyenoord mostly played point forward in the midfield with wieffer on the right and kokcu on the left. wieffer is more like modern day CM. In comparison if you look at the AZ with clasie in point back set up then its more a traditional style AM, DM and BTB. even if you look veernman he was in the same boat at heerneveen where he use to play deep in that point back set up. At PSV he had fit in that point forward set up and I remeber saying, this will be a stepping stone in his development. koopmeiners was also in the same boat when he was at AZ but now playing in that 3-4-3 formation has seen him evolve also in a modern midfielder. Matusiwa again at Groningen and now at Remis. also recall how clasie under koeman and later on found to it hard adpoting to the double pivot set up at southamptom and had to drop put. van ginkel as well. its good to finally see that shift from traditional to the modern day style. i mean from the BTB days
     
  9. Brilliant Oranje

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    #584 Brilliant Oranje, Jun 8, 2023
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2023
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  10. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
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    the thing to note here is he has scored that playing in different positions
     
  11. Brilliant Oranje

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    Which positions??
     
  12. Soixante - neuf:ROFLMAO:
     
  13. bunbohue

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    Apr 5, 2005
    I think roughly 60% of his matches are defensive midfield, 20% as centre midfield and 20% as attacking midfield.
     
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  14. Brilliant Oranje

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  15. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

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    Jun 4, 2018
    Can’t blame him at all. Koeman is a complete idiot. The guy is in the best XI of the year of the Bundesliga which speaks volumes to his consistency and the season he had. Even van Gaal picked him for the WC and that was BEFORE he made it into the Bundesliga best XI.

    Koeman’s arguments for not selecting him are absolute garbage and I’d be mad too. Ridiculous decision.
     
  16. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
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    AM,CM, WB in 3-4-3 formation off course
     
  17. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
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    Amsterdam and Marbella
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    If the Euro started today my XI would be:

    5-3-2

    Dumfries-------vDijk----------deLigt---------Aké-----Hartman
    Malen-----------Frenkie-------------Reijnders/Simons
    ----------Gakpo/Depay or Gakpo/Weghorst-----------


    4-3-3

    Dumfries-----------vDijk---------Aké------------Hartman
    Frenkie-----------De Roon/Wieffer-------------Reijnders
    Malen......................Gakpo...........................Simons
     
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  18. BaritoPutra

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    Jan 26, 2007
    Here's my starting XI... based on today's form.

    Really hope that Koeman will revert back to 4-3-3.

    I would have Koopmeiners to bring in more offensive power, with perhaps a little sacrifice in the defensive midfield position (which I am not too overly concerned as both Van Dijk and Ake are currently playing at their peak level).

    4-3-3

    Dumfries-----------vDijk---------Aké------------Hartman
    Frenkie-----------Koopmeiners ------------- Reijnders
    Malen------------Gakpo---------------Simons
     
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  19. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
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    Amsterdam and Marbella
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    If Flekken can keep up his amazing form as of late he should start as well
     
  20. I'm actually not sold on Gakpo as striker. More inclined to try Zirkzee and Brobbey in the friendlies.
     
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  21. richsavare

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    I’ve been saying this myself.
    He’s a wide attacker, perhaps a 10 or False 9 if anything .
    Not physical enough for a striker or 9 and most importantly doesn’t score enough goals
     
  22. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
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    #597 Brilliant Oranje, Feb 25, 2024
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2024
    But neither is Depay.
    And Brobbey and Zirkzee are completely untested in international matches.
    So even if you try Brobbey/Zirkzee in our upcoming 2 friendlies, you're still taking a big chance if you start either of them in the Euro.
    Gakpo however has WC experience, and played reasonably well IMO
     
  23. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
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    nopper
    Noppert WC??? Dont forget.
     
  24. richsavare

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    AFC Ajax
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    Depay goal scoring speaks for itself despite his unconventional positional play, and it’s not a bad thing at all that several other guys are able to play in various positions across the front line or even as a playmaker 10.
    Gakpo lacks physicality in my opinion to play as a true 9, and yes indeed he did have a good World Cup.
    Koeman may use a False 9, and if so Brobbey then won’t get the nod, but I believe he shows some positive qualities to play that true 9 Striker role.
    Zirkzee needs to be given a chance also I believe, but who really knows what Koeman is thinking about.
     
  25. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
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    Arsenal FC
    guys what do you think of sem steijn at twente . is he a NT material?. tricky player
     
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