C.R. Vasco da Gama [R]

Discussion in 'Brazil: Clubs and Competitions' started by AuriVerde, Jun 4, 2006.

  1. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Not every ball a DM play would be through the middle.

    How many passes does a DM attempt during a game, on average?
     
  2. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    I would have to look, but they will be among the highest number of passes, likely the highest, and yes DMs play mostly in the center of the pitch, so their passes would be either leaving or going somewhere close to the center.
     
  3. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
  4. Lucas...

    Lucas... Member+

    Dec 18, 2012
    Vocês são incríveis, analisando uma porrada de jogador consagrado e números numa discussão que se iniciou com... Felipe Bastos!!

    Não tem como defender o Bastos, se trata mais do que estatísticas.

    E o Guigs falou do Rômulo. Rômulo era umas oitenta vezes melhor do que o Felipe Bastos. A torcida pegou no pé no começo como aconteceu com qualquer jogador, mas logo ele superou a desconfiança, assim como o Allan, Dedé...

    Felipe Bastos nunca correspondeu, simplesmente porque não tem qualidade.
     
  5. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Faz parte =)
    estatisticas somente mostra quem ele eh, nao eh defesa, eh quem ele eh. O tempo todo eu falo, ele eh quem ele eh, voce paga por o que tem. Nao adianta comprar um mustang e tentar bater de frente com uma ferrari pra depois ficar reclamando que perdeu a corrida.

    Isso eh burrice.

    E nao adianta querer ficar pedindo para comprar uma ferrari quando voce mal tem dinheiro para um mustang.. isso tb eh burrice.

    Agora Lucas vamos ver se voce entende o pq eu falei do Romulo.
    Ele tinha a % de passe quase 6 pontos acima do Felipe Bastos
    Um foi vendido por muito dinheiro
    O outro esta no Vasco

    A comparacao que eu estava fazendo nao era para dizer que eles eram iguais, muito pelo contrario, era para provar que voce ve o diferencial de dois jogadores por estatisticas, nao so no olhometro. Ou seja.. completamente valida no argumento

    A qualidade do Felipe Bastos eh a qualidade que se paga por um jogador do valor dele, ele no caso eh ate barato... Nao adianta voce falar que ele nao tem qualidade pq vc acha que ele nao tem. Quando as pessoas que estao entrando e saindo do time estao escalando o Felipe Bastos.

    Pessoas que por sinal estao muito mais envolvidas no futebol que qualquer um de nos, pessoas que entendem mais que qualquer um de nos, continuam escalando o Felipe Bastos. Nunca vi nenhum torcedor virar tecnico sabe por que? Porque torcedor nao pensa com a cabeca, acha que cofre do time eh infinito e que todo mundo tinha que estar jogando de graca pelo time do coracao deles... Lembra da situacao do Bernardo?

    Pode ter 2 razoes entao que o Felipe Bastos esta jogando

    Primeira pq ele eh a melhor opcao dentro do elenco onde o dinheiro eh curto e sair no mercado para uma opcao melhor nao eh opcao - Culpa nao eh do Felipe Bastos - pra que ficar vaiando?

    Segunda pq ele mostra alguma qualidade para todos os treinadores que ja passaram pelo Vasco onde ainda nao foi vista pelos torcedores por o simples fato que durante o tempo do Bastos como titular o Vasco simplesmente vendeu um total de 8 jogadores que participaram da conquista de 2011 e da libertadores de 2012.

    Novamente falta de elenco, a culpa nao eh do Bastos - pra que ficar vaiando?
     
  6. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    I'm eating crow about my Martin Silva's comments about his skills in crossing, he's been terrible at it the past 2 games.. It was too early to judge him =(
     
  7. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Cavalieri looked sharp on crosses and set pieces vs Fla :whistling:
     
  8. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Como diz a BOPE

    Nunca Serão.
     
  9. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Will Douglas be available for Sunday against Flamengo?
     
  10. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    they have until tomorrow to register him.
     
  11. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Looks like Martin Silva has been failing more and more. I wonder how long until people start blaming him for every single goal, even when not his fault.
     
  12. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I only saw the last 35 minutes of the game versus Cabo so I don't have a comment but I was surprised you didn't get that Penalty.
     
  13. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Vasco was unlucky, it was a fun game.
     
  14. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Only one player can have 96% (46 passes) passing, put a ball on the crossbar, lead the team in steals, serve 3 crosses to his teammates head but still be blamed for a defeat.

    Sucks being Felipe Bastos.
     
  15. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    just got into an argument with another Vascaino that says... I can't understand why Felipe Bastos is still playing, he misses every pass, doesn't even steal the ball and what he's there for taking shot on goal he hardly does it.

    Serie B Brasileirao
    F. Bastos
    91% passing (188/206) (second best on team)
    15 shots (3 on goal) (most shots on team)
    12 / 13 steals attempted (second best on team)

    and as i'm showing him this... we see that Bastos also is the most successful dribbler in the team 7/9 attempted he got across his opponent and has no yellow cards.

    But yeah, misses every pass, doesn't steal the ball and doesn't shoot it either.

    Just shows how biased opinion can be completely blind. By the way after seeing the stats... he still tell me that he doesn't believe on those stats and that his eyes don't lie to him.
     
  16. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  17. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    He's also 3rd in passes errados, 1st in finalizacoes erradas, second in lancamentos errados, second in dribles errados.....

    Based off stats, Diego Renan must be a craque. 1st in pasess certos, 1st in finalizacoes certas, 1st in desarmes certos....
     
  18. NotreDameFlamengo

    Jul 25, 2011
    Raleigh, NC
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Where do you guys get these stats from?
     
  19. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I just went to his favorite site, www.footystats.com . I can't really speak to its accuracy or reliability. Different sites report different stats and even different numbers for the same stat.
     
  20. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Diego Renan is having a good season for Vasco, think about the stats you just put in for a Wingback. I'm not saying Bastos is a craque, but he's not awful like people tend to say he is.

    Passing is more of a % type of thing, the more you pass the more you'll miss, counting passes errados is a little useless.

    He has been missing most of his long range shots from outside of the box that is true, and that's usually his strength
    Lancamentos he's at 50% right? that's on par with a regular player like him, he's not Xavi at 95%, and dribbles errados is also kind of a % type thing, the more you do it the more you miss.
     
  21. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    I guess F.Bastos is not good enough for Serie B.... Maybe he just needed to go back up to Serie A and be given a chance without the crowd being complete assholes to him. Now here's the funny part... he's being the same exact player in Gremio as he was in Vasco. Keeps the ball, just side pass transitions, misses at the same rate...

    What is it? he's a bad player at Vasco, but everywhere else he goes he's a starter?
     
  22. jay luis

    jay luis Member+

    Sep 14, 2013
    Corona, Nyc
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Sup guys

    Just wondering how is santi montoya doing ?

    Cheers.
     
  23. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Still not a lot of playtime, vasco was very unstable this season. Too many roster changes and starting lineups for anybody to do well
     
  24. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    @jay luis Montoya got a lot of playing time in the pre-season tournament and looks to be a definite starter for the state championships, let's see if all of that promise comes to light.

    He gained a lot of weight by the way!
     
  25. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Speaking of Felipe Bastos... in the end of last year Guigs asked me what we gremistas were thinking of Felipe Bastos. I said he was doing well and such, and Guigs said that he was "injustiçado" at Vasco.


    Well, I must now say that the good impression Felipe Bastos caused last year, with some goals from long range, has been dispelled.

    Not only he stopped scoring (not even close to it, all his shots go very wide and freekicks are terrible), as he is also probably the worst passer at Grêmio. His pass completion rate is probably below 50%. And the worse is that he seems to not learn with his mistakes. He will make the same mistakes again, and again... and again.. in the SAME match!

    No wonder he is not a starter anymore... and no wonder Grêmio improved a LOT since he stopped being a starter.
     
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