BVB 2012-2013 General Discussion Thread [R]

We could do at least most of what you propose without money for Lewa, obviously subject to final transfer values. Whether BVB mgmt will is of course another matter.

Approx #s
Cash on hand 12mln
Gotze 37
Santana 1
Bittencourt 3
Perisic 3 (I think we didn't spend all this yet)

total 56mln

Sokratis 8 plus incentives

leaves 48 ...KDB if we get him will cost close to 20 alone, Eriksen 12, FB 5, leaves 11 for Aubameyang.

 

My personal opinion on the Lewandowski matter is that BVB's management is going to secure a replacement before allowing him to leave all while publicly stating that he is staying next season. That would put them in the best position to get a good price on a replacement striker.

 

In 1 season yes but not in the long term. It is hard to keep finding good cheap replacements. Eventually selling the best players summer after summer catches up with the team.
Look at Arsenal - they sold Adebayor, Cesc, Nasri, Henry, Toure, Song,Clichy, RVP,etc and the replacements are shit like Gervinho, Squillaci, Djourou, Santos, Bendtner, Denilson,Chamakh,Park. Guys like Arteta, Mertesacker,Podolski, Walcott,Giroud are decent players but can never lead a team to a trophy. They are pretty limited. Arsenal currently have only 2 top players (Cazorla and Koscielny) and maybe Wilshere. The rest are not very good.
Same thing goes for Werder Bremen. The scouting gets rubbish with time.

 

^^ The truth is that a club like Arsenal pays horrible players good wage. With their much vaunted socialist wage bill, Most of their useless players are earning a lot

E.g Djourou and Squilacci both are on like 50k per week, Add that to Andre Santos, Chamakh, Denilson, bendtner, Arshavin

The dead weights they carry is just too much All the above names players earns at least 3 times what Grooskreutz earn and none has contributed a 3rd of what he does to Arsenal (even if you add all their output together)

Bvb can increase their wage bill to half of Arsenal and still achieve more than them if they make smart buys and reduce the turds

See below list

FIRST TEAM WAGE (pwk) WAGE (p/yr)
Lukas Podolski £107,000 £5,564,000
Tomas Rosicky £80,000 £4,160,000
Per Mertesacker £80,000 £4,160,000
Andrey Arshavin £78,000 £4,056,000
Santi Carzorla £70,000 £3,640,000
Mikel Arteta £70,000 £3,640,000
Thomas Vermaelen £70,000 £3,640,000
Theo Walcott £60,000 £3,120,000
Olivier Giroud £60,000 £3,120,000
Gervinho £60,000 £3,120,000
Bacary Sagna £60,000 £3,120,000
Marouane Chamakh £60,000 £3,120,000
Andre Santos £60,000 £3,120,000
Jack Wilshere £60,000 £3,120,000
Abou Diaby £60,000 £3,120,000
Denilson £60,000 £3,120,000
Laurent Koscielny £60,000 £3,120,000
Johan Djourou £50,000 £2,600,000
Kieran Gibbs £50,000 £2,600,000
Nicklas Bendtner £50,000 £2,600,000
Sebastien Squillaci £50,000 £2,600,000
Aaron Ramsey £50,000 £2,600,000
Wojciech Szczesny £50,000 £2,600,000
Lukasz Fabianski £50,000 £2,600,000
Ju Young Park £50,000 £2,600,000
Vito Mannone £30,000 £1,560,000
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain £30,000 £1,560,000
Carl Jenkinson £30,000 £1,560,000
Emmanuel Frimpong £30,000 £1,560,000
Francis Coquelin £30,000 £1,560,000
Ryo Miyaichi £18,000 £936,000
Ignasi Miquel £10,000 £520,000
Joel Campbell £10,000 £520,000
£90,636,000

 

The numbers for Arsenal's wages don't add up. They paid £ 143m in 2011/12 according to SwissRamble.

 

But Arsenal's numbers aren't even published yet for 2013 afaik.

And how should they have reduced their wage bill by £ 52m?

 

(Not sure if it is true but) Jonas Hofmann gets the number 7 jersey for the new season.

 

I believe these wage figures include all employees and not just players.

from Swiss Ramble regarding Arsenal right below the chart.

In addition, a once-off charge of £2.2 million was included to top-up the pension provision, while Arsenal’s lack of trophies and commercial growth did not prevent Gazidis’ package rising 24% to £2.15 million (salary £1.366 million, bonus £675,000, pension £100,000).

 

What worth do those numbers have without taking everything in account though? They don't even include bonuses, the manager and staff salaries, pension expenses are also related to the wages.

All I'm saying is the number of £90,636,000 as Arsenal's wage bill is giving a false picture of what they are actually paying.

I found the source of Bayernfan's numbers btw.

http://arsenaltruth.squarespace.com/arsenal-truth/2012/11/4/arsenals-1434m-wage-bill-exposed.html

 

Thanks for finding the source of the numbers.

Isolating the total into parts can be instructive into whether Arsenal's lack of trophies is related to an inability to increase spending or if they have just spent poorly.

 

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A bit of both. Reluctant to pay RVP so you can accommodate those dead weight

Their wage bill currently is 4th behind Man Utd. You cant compare any club to the insanity at Etihad and Stamford bridge

 

I believe that Bier is Kronen. There has been a Kronen Bierstube on the spot of Wenkers since 1430 (longer than Hofbräuhaus in München). Also, Dortmund was granted brewing rights on August 22, 1293 by King Adolph of Nassau, thirty-five years before Augustiner Bräu would begin operations in München.

 

Very cool! Thanks for clarifying.

No, I just thought it was interesting. My favorite beer is from Munich as well-Augustiner Edelstoff, which, fortunately, I am able to get here in Chicago. Cheers!