BushCo's Social Security Initiative - Spent Political Capital Has been Flushed

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Revolt, Jul 15, 2005.

  1. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
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    So, BushCo's BIG plan to transform SS has been a big ..... dud.

    Is it time to chalk this up as a huge 2nd term loss, or shall we continue to watch the policy drift.
     
  2. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
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    You yourself will be calling for Social Security reform soon enough... just be patient... his vindication will be the collapse of the entire system in the near future!
     
  3. Claymore

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    Jul 9, 2000
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    Were it not for 9/11, this would go down as the least productive administration since Cal Coolidge.
     
  4. Revolt

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    I never said there isn't a problem.

    I did say previously that BushCo attempted a shove-it-down-your-throat strategy to push through their initiative for private accounts. Not only has the strategy utterly failed, the proposal is crap - and doesn't even address SS's problems.

    So, BushCo is getting exactly what it deserved.
     
  5. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

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    READING IS FUNDAMENTAL REVOLT!

    The social security private accounts plan was always labeled/described as
    VOLUNTARY!

    You no doubt confuse it with the Democrat Plan: Which is nothing at all, but they frequently have something to shove down your throat!
     
  6. Revolt

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    Perhaps you should read up on how the accounts would financed before thumping your chest.
     
  7. VFish

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    Jan 7, 2001
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    So does this mean you support the Demint plan?
     
  8. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
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    Gosh, you know I think some of these righty moonweasels-- wait wait, moonsquirrels -- actually hope social security will fail just so they can be right! :rolleyes:
     
  9. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    Never do anything Wall Street likes.
     
  10. BillQ

    BillQ New Member

    Oct 11, 1999
    Chicago, IL
    I was thinking William Henry Harrison myself.
     
  11. Revolt

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    What ever gave you that idea?
     
  12. VFish

    VFish Member+

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    Nevermind, it was a rhetorical question. You pretend to oppose personal accounts on a fiscal basis, when in actuality you'd oppose them on any grounds.
     
  13. DJPoopypants

    DJPoopypants New Member

    But was the goal of the administration ever progress?

    Or was it...

    a) tax cuts for the rich
    b) make sure friends get good jobs
    c) simmer some divisive issues that will keep energizing the republican base and help future elections.

    Tax cuts, Halliburton, and gay marriage/abortion.

    Mission Accomplished.
     
  14. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    We already have voluntary retirement accounts in this country that don't sap the Social Security funds. I fully support them. In fact, I make contributions to one myself.
     
  15. VFish

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    Jan 7, 2001
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    Perhaps you could take a little time and actually read the proposal? Its sole purpose is to stop the current pillaging of SS surpluses.
     
  16. Revolt

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    Jun 16, 1999
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    I don't mind discussing this with you so long as you don't put words in my mouth.

    I opposed the BushCo plan for the following reasons:

    1. BushCo attempted to shove the idea down the throats of the dems. For things like SS, new plans only work under a bi-partisan umbrella. Look it up, because its true.

    2. Private accounts do not address the underlying long-term problem of financial solubility for SS.

    3. Most accounts I've seen say that private accounts will cost $1 trillion to set up. And, there will not be long-term savings offsetting those set up costs.

    4. I'm not an expert on this, so I just assume that BushCo is out to screw the American public for corporate benefit. After all, BushCo flat-out lied when they said that SS was going to go bankrupt.

    So, what I am for? I don't know. Right now, I have grave doubts that BushCo can craft any sort of bipartisan compromise. After all, they've been clearly deficit spending that politcal capital.

    Okay, here's a try:

    1. Raise the cap on income for taxing SS
    2. Means-test benefits
    3. Raise the retirement age by 1-2 years
    4. Reduce the CPI calculation for future benefits
     
  17. Revolt

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    If the pillaging were stopped, the budget deficit would be much larger. Is that acceptable?
     
  18. VFish

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    Much larger. really? Why don't you run the numbers for us? How big an impact would the Demint proposal have on the federal decifit?
     
  19. Revolt

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    I freely admit that I'm not familiar with the Demint proposal.
     
  20. VFish

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    Fine, do all that. Not the route I would suggest, but the Demint plan isn't at odds with any of those proposals.
     
  21. VFish

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    Jan 7, 2001
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    In a nutshell, you fund private accounts with the bonds that the SS surplus now holds and any future surpluses purchase additional bonds that go into private accounts. It guarantees current workers a 3% return rather than the negative return we'll get if we do nothing.
     
  22. Northcal19

    Northcal19 New Member

    Feb 18, 2000
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    Those Republicans just cannot stand a surplus. The size of private accounts the surplus could fund is tiny, really not worth dicking with as the majority of Americans, who understandibly do not want this band of thieves 'fixing' soc serc, realize. These radical fixes simply are not popular. Soc serc is popular.

    Besides, I thought the surplus wasn't real; just "some IOUs in filing cabinet somewhere".
     
  23. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
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    The proposal turns those IOUs into something tangible, or in your parlance "backed by the full faith of the US government". Why does that bother you?
     
  24. Northcal19

    Northcal19 New Member

    Feb 18, 2000
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    Actually, IOUs, bonds, notes, CDs and other debt obligations are already tangible. They don't have to have a magic wand waved over them to become so. Something intangible would be like 'goodwill'. FYI. :p

    I am not bothered by that, I think it is a good thing.
     
  25. VFish

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    You would be if you studied SS history.
     

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