Bush Pushes Lawmakers to Pass his 15 billion dollar AIDS Initiative

About once a year Bush does something right. Maybe next year he can provide health care to poor Americans.

 

I think everyone was amazed at this request when he announced it at the SotU earlier this year. I'd bet heavily that the Republicans in the House are going to dilute it badly through amendments like allowing some organizations to eliminate the condoms part of the program but forcing everyone to spend more money on abstinence education than anything else. But we have to see what the final plan is before jumping to conclusions.

Too bad that Santorum's going to vote against it because he thinks that the fags and adulterers deserve to die.

 

I have friends who work for various aid organizations and they say they're two biggest problems are:

1) The money not getting there because it ends up in some politicians pocket.

2) It's very difficult to push/teach/force your cultural values onto others, i.e. abstinance and condoms.

With regards to Uganda, I've heard they are very tired of being the AIDS Vaccine/prevention program guinea pig. When your citizens have tested multiple new AIDS drugs etc., they get tired of it. But you're right they do have the best program. But it's because they gave U.S. companies and organization Carte Blanche.

Not to get too far off topic, but what exactly was Santorum's point? You seem to know. Enlighten us.

 

I am not saying that abstinence shouldn't be part of a program, it's the sole emphasis of it as the only method of AIDS prevention that scares me. That's been the M.O. of the Catholic Church and other religious organizations when discussing AIDS.

When you combine the two, though, it seriously dilutes the program. Catholics get their share of the money, and use it to talk exclusively about abstinence. Some other organization gets their share, and they have to spend 50% of it (or whatever the % is that goes into the amendment) on abstinence. How much will people hear about the "C" part of that equation? Not much.

Please? His exact quote on the subject: "I have no problem with homosexuality. I have a problem with homosexual acts." He approves of anti-sodomy laws because, again a quote, "this freedom actually intervenes and affects the family... it destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that's antithetical to strong healthy families." Think about that -- he's saying that people who he doesn't know and will never meet are ruining his family! He is certainly not the only person who holds this opinion, but he has to face the consequences of saying it.

He also says in that interview that liberals are to blame for the Catholic Church priest scandal. Agree?

 

Only part of this is new money. Alot of it is taken from other AIDS programs.

Now, I expect this kind of bulls*** from politicians. It doesn't offend me, I'm not saying Bush is a bad person (well, in the context of people who play the game at that level.) I'm just serving as a truth detector.

 

So Obie's quote is a lie?

 

Bigamy and polygamy aren't sexual acts.

And this has been blogged to death. The reporter really helped out Santorum, because he made the quote narrowly about gays. What Santorum said, and presumably meant, is that there is no right to privacy for ANYONE. If the state legislature can pass a law saying that married couples can't have oral sex, in Santorum's world, the courts can't overrule that.

 

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He mentioned Hydrogen cars becuase he and his oil trash friends no it will never happen and allow them to sell their oil for years to come. He never talked about something more realistic, like lowering auto emission standards or raising the bar for fuel economy, thus putting the ball in Detroit's court.

He's for forest conservation as long as there is no oil to drill there(See Alaksa debate).

Back to the AIDS issue, this is probably just a way to move money around to give it to his religious organizations.

 

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In case you forgot, your infallable president lied throughout that S of U. about many things, so forgive me for not believing that this will get done.

This $1.2 billlion, who is he giving this money to? Detroit. He's basically subsidizing the U.S. auto industry under the guise of environment. God knows they need it. I work with the automotive supply industry and my guys tell me this is impossible. Even if they do come out with these cars, it will be 20 years from now. A hygrogen powered cavalier would cost atleast $40,000 a pop in today's dollars. How many people do you know can afford that?

And only my ex-fiance gets to call me moron. I prefer liberal bastard thank you.

 

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Talk to me when it's actually law. 1.2 billion in hydro car funding is just code for government subsidy. Bush owes them for screwing them with Steel tariffs.

 

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When it's law, or when he even tries to push it through, I will actually believe him. Excuse me for not believing EVERYTHING that everyone, including U.S. presidents, says. Saying something and doing something are totally different.

Nice work for what? You haven't proven that the $1.2 billion is not just a subsidy to the auto industry? I'm saying it's a make good for screwing them with the steel tariffs.

 

While fuel cell technology, if it ever comes to pass, would reduce reliance on gasoline, it wouldn't significantly reduce fossil fuel dependence, because fossil fuels are needed to fuel the plants that would isolate hydrogen and make it useable. The money GWB asked to be appropriated is also just a drop in the bucket of the ultimate cost of producing an economically usable fuel cell.

I think the fuel cell promotion is a good thing and could have tremendous benefits, but GWB used it to give himself political cover on greenhouse gasses. Which is what politicians do, but I wish he'd both promote fuel cells and do something that would reduce them in the here and now.

I'll also believe his dedication to fuel cell technology when he uses political capital to get the funding through Congress.

 

the clear skies initiative initially lowers standards on air quality but says those standards have to improve over a long time frame. Basically it lowers limits immediately while saying there will be a long term improvement (and this issue is likely to come up again before 15 years pass, so that requirement is bogus).

The same thing with fuel cells. Instead of mandating higher fuel efficiency now (which the auto industry has the technology to meet), bush has given a subsidy to improve standards some time down the road.

 

sorry, forgot this part.

As for the AIDS initiative, I applauded him for that during the SOTU but said, let's see the funding. This is the correct start, let's keep paying attention and make sure it continues.

 

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Of course it will never happen. It is against the laws of physics.

No, as was said before it is just a subsidy. Nothing will come from it.

Yeah, but you need a "single" chemical reaction to get the hydrogen from water in the first place - water is already burned hydrogen, and it takes more energy to get the hydrogen out than the hydrogen contains. Or you can get hydrogen from fossil fuels, which does not help anything.