The only bad that will come of this is that the Turks are going annex northern Iraq. Without us up their, no one will be able to protect the Kurds from the Turks. Both of whom hate each other with a passion. We waved 26 billion in their face, but that wasnt enough to stop them from doing what they wish in the North.
They can off load some where else and head north so we can attack from that part of iraq any way. We will go through them like water. We will have a low casuality rate we might get hurt only by being run into by the iraqs trying to surrender or by friendly fire. We will eat them for breakfast. They learned from the last time if they surrender they will go back home. Stay in the armour they die. They will all be on foot when this thing starts. They are not fighting for Saddam unless others of their elk point on good to their head if they do not fight.
> We waved 26 billion in their face, but that wasnt > enough to stop them from doing what they wish > in the North. Part of that 26 billion dollar deal was that they could do what they wanted to anyway.
Incidently they are having another vote in a few days. They will accept our offer they need the money. I also would like to say I like the Turkish people that are in the soccer community here in NYC. They love the game and they love living in the US. I was happy that they did so well in the WC. Like to see us play a friendly against them at some point in time. I even know of some turkickish clubs here in NY that get money for out of state tournaments directly from Turkey. Don't misjudge these people they are ok.
> They will accept our offer they need the money. There is 10 times that money under the ground in Northern Iraq. But if Turkey plays it smart, they can get both.
you guys are completely willing to ignore the effect of 80-90% of the population being opposed to the war has on a parliament?this was simply a strategic decision? we don't think highly of democracy do we?
> you guys are completely willing to ignore the > effect of 80-90% of the population being > opposed to the war has on a parliament?this was > simply a strategic decision? And do you think parliamentarians always vote with the opinions of their constituents? No matter why they voted the way they did, it gave an executive with a little forward vision a real chance to take America to the cleaners. To use a couple more cliches, the US has painted itself so far into a corner that it can be played like a ukulele. > we don't think highly of democracy do we? Not always.
when about 90% of a population stands opposed to something, yes, i'd say that is a substantial factor in how the parliament votes. the "executive" (a bad term because its a parliamentary system) already took the US to the cleaners, but couldn't get its majority party to stick with them on the vote. i don't think it'll get passed, and I kind of respect the Turkish parliament's decision to say, screw the money, this is what our people want.
I respect the Turkish democracy and their decision. Good for them. The next message, is (assuming they don't change their mind), if you get in our way in any part of the world that is currently drawn up as Iraq, you will be treated as hostile. Kurdistan will be formed now, so f off.
The top general in Turkey has publicy stated that US troops should be allowed in Turkey to open a front. The military is going to push for a second vote as well as the ruling party. So second vote I am assuming is going to be different. By the way, has anyone seen those cartoons that depicted Turkey in such a shameful manner. Only three votes were needed for the approval of the American troops and a lot of the people in the parliment, in interviews with the newspapers, stated that they were disgusted when they saw how Turkey was depicted in the US media so they decided to vote against it.
I doubt it. Abandon is strong language and probably wrong. There is a good reason the two airmobile (101st) and airborne (82nd) divisions are there. Remember the big sweep in GWI? Same thing, probably by airdrop and or helo deployment from Kuwait in order to link up with and/or support the Kurdish forces. The Kurds will be aided by special forces giving intelligence and calling in air support a'la Afghanistan.
The Turks have been well known to have their own agenda. They fear that a Kurdish state in N.Iraq would lead to the end of the modern Turkish state, with the leftovers scooped up by their long time enemies.