Goodbye 3rd seed. We out played them (IMO) still got the shaft, Broome and Suarez will miss D.C. game, Ref. sucked like no other. Colorado jumps us with win over worthless K.C. sigh the whole season of hard work seems to be thrown away with this end of season slump. Well one good thing did happen, Chicago lost 2-0 so they're a loss away from not making the playoffs, hehe losers
Let's hope the Burn can pull out a win Thursday night to have at least a little positive momemtum going into the playoffs. Unfortunately, with Colorado's win tonight, they're now in the 4th seed slot. So the Burn look likely to end up the season as 5th seed (with NY/NJ and KC losing tonight, the Burn have mathematically locked up either a 4th or 5th place seed).
What do you do when you are so forking angry you cannot even begin to think about anything but how pissed off you are? Is there medication for rage management? I cannot stay drunk another week. this just cannot be happening. I don't want to talk about next season, I want MLS Cup NOW. Maybe, just maybe, this string of horrible fortune, luck, and Cuckhold referees and USSF chicanery will give the team enough raw ugly motivation to rip through the playoffs. I cannot WAIT to see the misfortune that will befall the Burn on National TV again on Thursday. What more could possibly go wrong with 2 defenders out on red cards?
We might want to sit Jason out for the DC game as a precautionary measure as well. Right now, Kreis has 21 caution pts and with a yellow card against DC, would miss the Burn's first playoff game. Whether or not to sit Kreis will be a tough call for Jeffries, but personally, I'd lean toward doing so. Even if the Burn beat DC Thursday, Colorado is still apt to beat KC and retain the 4th seed slot. And losing Kreis for Game 1 of the playoffs to a disciplinary suspension would be an absolutely disastrous turn of events.
crap! that's all it was. how can you send suarez off for an unintentional handball and give broome a second yellow in stoppage time after the first card was for dissent? what is up with these stoppage time red cards? if the purpose of the card is to control the temper of the game what's the use in flashing the red with seconds left ? this after a boatload of missed calls earlier add up to one thing- we are the league's bitch! the revs got one card despite numerous dissent, time wasting, a handball and the triple foul on olivares that led to the penalty. no equality there.
I don't care where we fall in the playoff tables because there is NO HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE for the Burn in the Cotton Bowl! When Brian Hall, World Cup referee, drops two questionable red cards on the home team you know the FIX IS IN! MLS does not want this team to exist. MLS stated at the beginning of this season that all 10 teams will have owners by the end of it. Well, Dallas, the end is near! Expect MLS to reveal one or three new minor-sized cities offering stadium deals and ownership schemes by late January. Expect to see MLS fold their red-headed stepchild known as the Dallas Burn. The FIX IS IN!!! Prove me wrong, Garber!
The red card to Ryan was legit. The rule is clear. If the ball is stopped by going in the goal by a defenders hand, a PK is awarded and the offender is sent off. What everyone should also know is that sitting in the pressbox was 32 USSF referee assessors. Yes, THIRTY TWO... The group of five that I talked to that saw the play live and repeatedly on the tube all, without hesitation, stated that was a red card offense. And all agreed that if Hall had not given a red card he would have been crucified. Now, I will agree with you that Broome's 2nd yellow was a mystery to me and I wasnt in the press box at the time to see why Hall would have called that. bottom line: The Burn lost ONLY because they failed to convert at least one of their FIVE clear shots on goal in the first 25 minutes. Can't blame the ref. Dallas as a team blew it when they had the game in hand. that is all peet burn radio
I know exactly how you feel. I've never cussed so much in one game, I can't believe our whole season of hard work is down the $hiter! Now with Cerritos gone, our offense is just about threatless. We might as well just look at the 5th seed, because I don't see K.C. winning at Colorado. wow this sucks. I hope he does, thats a scary thought
Actually, the rule is that if the ball is deliberately stopped by the defenders hand, thereby denying the opponent a goal or goal-scoring opportunity, a PK is awarded and the offender is sent off. As we all remember from the World Cup, in the US-Germany match, the German defender definitely handled the ball and stopped a goal, but supposedly his action was not deliberate so no PK or red card was given. I think that Suarez' red card shows a problem with FIFA's rules. Certainly Suarez deliberately handled the ball, but his intent was not to prevent a goal, it was to prevent injury to himself. So in an event like this, awarding a PK but not handing out either a yellow or red card would seem to be the appropriate measure.
This mess all started with the Open Cup debacle. We decided that we could turn it on or turn it off at will and it just doesn't work that way. When you're on a hot streak and you decide you're going to "rest" one game so you can "really" play the next one, this is what happens. When you're on a roll, you can't be thinking about anything but the next game. Otherwise you risk losing your momentum like we have.
one simple word, meah. He looked dangerous sometimes but other than that he was mostly offsides or not in the right place. Then again he made some good runs, he's showing promise just not at a good rate. Did you know we're definetly playing the cRapids in the playoffs. Here's a quote from MLSnet....
That's a cheep shot at Hall. The call resulting in the PK was legit--a two handed stop of the ball---and the Red Card was legit--a foul that prevented the ball crossing the line is a RED CARD. The second yellow was less obvious but was a tackle that got all player and not the ball-- a yellow card foul. One of the things we have been discussing on the Rev board is how reluctant Refs are to give the second yellow in MLS (Less that 2% of carded players pick up the second yellow). A cardable foul should be a cardable foul. Fact is the arm in the face of Heaps (knocked him down and blooded his nose) by the player who then proceeded into the box to get the PK call could well have been a Red Card as well. It's hard to believe that both Hall and the AR missed such an obvious call. The Burn problem last night wasn't Brian Hall--it was finishing. If you has scored that first goal instead of hitting the post it could well have been a very different match. Godd luck against DCU. They will be badly roster depleated as well.
Discretion is ALWAYS an option for a referee. The only 'real' exception is when a 'non-blasted' shot is taken in the box and a defender 'obviously' uses his hand to 'deflect' the ball. ANYONE that has ANY kind of 'ball' directed toward them at high speed will 'instinctually' try to defend themselves with their hands. This is especially true in soccer considering the majority of players have spent time in a 'free-kick wall' and KNOW what it's like to get 'smacked' with a professionally struck ball. I find it insulting that Hall, a respected referee, did not hesitate to 'bring out the red'. vw makes a SOLID point on 'intention'. AND, with the red produced on Broome, it makes it even more of a 'glaring' debacle for this referee. I know that many fans 'feel slighted' when they see the quality of officiating for the MLS. The world's most popular game deserves more, and we-the-fans deserve a better effort in the MLS. "Dallas as a team"... The passion and commitment of the players has been steadfast throughout the season. It's the players who created the successful streak that they went thru in the second half of the season. Many congratulate the coaching staff for the 'team success', but the fact is that Jeffries did not rest key players at 'key times', and Cerritos was not given the treatment he deserved. Kreis has gone thru longer slumps than Cerritos, and Jason has NEVER been benched. Given the MAJOR accomplishments at San Jose, Cerritos deserved the whole season to develop the proper chemistry with Kreis. And, on top of this fact, it would have given Kreis the 'relief' he needs from being the 'go-to guy' on the team. And, of course, is the neglect where Pareja is concerned. Given the fact that the Burn were playing two of the 'underperforming' clubs in the Revs and D.C.; Oscar AND KREIS should have sat the 3/5 debacle. For this, and this alone; I think MJ should be replaced. Oscar and Kreis could've been 'helped' a great deal with their caution point build-ups, and they could've had crucial time in tending to their injuries. No matter what happens in the playoffs, I really appreciate the effort the players have made for this season. I will always wish them the best.
Heaps did get fouled and deserved better on the play, but his nose was NOT bloodied. He would've had to come off the field if it was (and it happened right in front of me). And the foul that brought on the PK was not-even-near red-card consideration. However, since the obvious foul against Heaps was NOT called, I agree with the PK call COMPLETELY. Broome got carded for dissent... this was poor judgement for Hall. Diplomacy is a MUST for professional officiating. That being said, I wish all-the-best for the Revs. It's good to see them 'get-it-going'. They have GREAT fans.
The problem with you refs is that you fail to use common sense some times. According to Mike Jeffries, "Ryan basically put his hands in front of his face to keep from getting his face taken off," Jeffries said. "He didn't reach out for it." So in a case like this, where the hands/arms are used to deliberately block the ball, but not to deliberately stop it from going into the goal, a PK without card would be appropriate.
home field advantage is overrated anyway. I was VERY surprised to see Jason coming on - he really needed the rest. Why not Jordan Stone? or Carl Bussey? However, Jason didn't play like he was hurt. He had a real nice run in the Rev's box, and the free kick, right after he came on. The whole team looked off for much of the match, with flashes of briliiance. How many times did they back pass without enough force, and nearly lose it, or actually did lose possesion? I almost had heart failure when Matt had to run to reach the ball 15 yards outside the area - and looked a step too slow! The passes made to the other team killed us - I like the black kits though. I will say that Twellman deserves ROTY. He was great to watch. Good hustle. The stats say that the Revs had almost as many SOG as we did, but Matt had more saves. It also says that both teams had about an even amount of fouls. I like the quick restarts the Burn has been making; I just wish they would shut up and play. They should know by now that Brian Hall is NOT going to change his mind on a call; screaming in his face will only make things worse. Also, the "YOU SUCK" after each Rev was announced was labeled "poor sportsmanship" before the game (I thought it was hilarious!) by the soccer mom in front of me, but she changed her mind about halfway through the first half. She was yelling at the plays as loud as I was! Even though we lost, I think we gained a lot more fans, judging by the remarks I heard around me.
Percy was at least running and Heaps was trying to get a fist of jersey. Percy was trying to get him to let go. If Heaps doesn't want to get an elbow in his face then don't clutch and grab. Even saying that Hall would have called it if he had seen it. You conveniantly don't mention your gonn Franchino purposely elbowing Rhine in the face away from the ball right after that. Also even though Dallas missed some shots early the game would not have been over had they made one when the ref is giving out reds to one side and closing his eyes to the other side.
HEY HEY, Olivares actually did something, we can't take that away from his useless ass even if he did smack heaps of $hit in the face. Typical soccer mom, you should come sit on the GA side, hehe we made "you suck" sound like a compliment.
I may get over this, someday. I may not. If I EVER see another handball on the line that does not result in a sending off, I may commit a crime. I kid you not, if that's the standard, it better be enforced universally on the other 9 teams in this league, or I'm going to jail. Because I know DAM well that players have gotten away with that in THIS league and NOT been sent off. I question that it was intentional, Suarez isn't really that stupid. He's not prone to panic by any means. If it does not matter if it was intentional, Hugh Dallas is a poor excuse for a human being. So, let's see if all of you other MLS fans are so rightous about this issue when your defender gets sent off for a handball in the six yard box, 20 minutes into the game. Brian Hall set the standard. Everyone is going to live by it. EVERYONE. And now, I still am not over this. I may never be.
FWIW I know exactly how you feel. I felt the same way last year (or was it 2 years ago?) when Mauricio Wright was sent off when, in the course of an attempted slide tackle (against SJ??), he inadvertently blocked a ball with his trailing arm, unable to see the ball or his arm, and was sent off + pk. I said all the things you are saying. Moral to the story: Suarez was not the first - that's MLS and I think the standard worldwide. A blocked shot is assumed by the ref to be deliberate.
Very disappoining. I have been withholding judgement on EJ all season, but I have seen enough. He does nothing for me. He does not deserve to start. He may be a superstar for teh U-19's, but he is not an MLS starter. Call me in 3 or 4 years. And frigging start Ronnie O up front if you want sit Kreis. EJ is a sub now - that is all he is. Damn.
Yea remember when we played chicago in the playoffs in game 3 in 99. C.J. Brown did the same thing but he wanted to block the shot and not his face but i dont think he got sent off. But we still got the penelty and won that game.
I'm not sure if this post belongs on this thread or not, feel free to move it if you want... I think the refs have gone crazy. First Suarez's red, then Broome's second yellow/red. Next we've got Howard's red...pretty f#cking bizarre. Then we finish up with the 2 non-calls on Ruiz. The first one is no card for kicking Agoos in the face with a high boot; then missing a pretty obvious offside, resulting in the game winning goal for LA. Did anybody let the refs know the importance of the games this weekend or are they all so tired after working so hard this season that their judgement is off?