Burn Fan Grievances 1996-2003

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by Brushes Sand, Nov 29, 2003.

  1. Brushes Sand

    Brushes Sand Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    polychronicqatsitime
    Submit your list here. Memories fade from
    the depths of time; Historians more accurate
    than I will not hurt my feelings if they correct
    inaccuracies on my part....

    1. All 10 original MLS teams were promised
    a "Marquis US National Team Allocation". The
    only team that never received one: Dallas.

    2. Only team to have to play on the road
    in the USOC against the SAME opposition
    for 3 consectutive years: Dallas.

    3. Only team to ever play 3 games in 5 days
    across MLS and USOC competition: Dallas.

    4. Only team to ever play 2 games on the
    road to open a 3 game in 5 day stretch across
    MLS and USOC competition: Dallas.

    5. Only team to ever have an opposing player
    in an MLS game be shown 2 yellow cards and
    not be ejected: Dallas.

    6. Only MLS team to go 5 consecutive seasons
    without an "Allocation" of any kind: Dallas.

    7. Only MLS team to be warned by their
    diehard fans of dire predictions of doom
    as the result of a Non-Professional execution
    of an agreement with a High School venue
    exclusive of Written Protections against the
    horrors of Rigid Panda Abortions: Dallas.

    8. Only MLS team to receive nothing from another
    MLS team when the former furnishes the latter
    with the mechanism to legitimize the "Biggest
    MLS Signing to date": Dallas.

    Please make additions and clarifications
    as necessary. We need this list to help
    GE "understand" where we are coming from.

    He has no Frame of Reference as to what
    it means to be a Burn Fan prior to October 2003.

    And i'm not yet sure, based on the silence
    regarding the LA "clarification-fleecing-bendover"
    on the heels of the Preciousss rape-heist, that he
    has much understanding of what it means
    to be a Burn Fan post October 2003.

    -bs
     
  2. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    not sure if this is true but...


    8) only MLS team to have a SSS deal all but finalized to see it ripped away at the last second: Dallas
     
  3. Brushes Sand

    Brushes Sand Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    polychronicqatsitime
    that's not a grievance.
     
  4. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England

    why the hell not?
     
  5. Viking64

    Viking64 Member

    Feb 11, 1999
    Tarheel State
    Only team in its inaugural year to have their franchise player sold for chump change IN their inaugural year: Dallas

    Only team to have MLS choose to NOT replace their franchise player that was injured before midseason, until forced to when it was disclosed publicly that MLS knew the player was no longer going to play for MLS.

    Only team to have MLS sign a franchise player on their behalf during a season, and not obtain that player's services on the field until the following season.
     
  6. Brushes Sand

    Brushes Sand Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    polychronicqatsitime
    Was Sutter the "Alvarez" replacement
    allocation after Alvarez was 'sold'???

    -bs
     
  7. sweeper33

    sweeper33 Member

    Jul 24, 2000
    Only team in MLS to have TWO of it's players' legs BROKEN by the same opposing player. And Dema walks around a free man.

    My God I'm gonna kneecap that Ukranian turd during the National Anthem at the first home game vs. DC in 2004.
     
  8. Dynamo Salem

    Dynamo Salem New Member

    Nov 25, 2003
    Salem, OR
    Even with the difficulties, when David Dir was coach, the Burn made it into the playoffs every year.
     
  9. Viking64

    Viking64 Member

    Feb 11, 1999
    Tarheel State
    No, when Sutter got hurt, MLS deliberately avoided signing a replacement for a month of the season, even though they knew Sutter was not coming back. Until we forced the issue and wrote directly to Suni and Dougie and told them that if Chad Deering was not signed because "he wanted too much money" we'd unleash the wrath of hell, since we know Metro never heard those words to that point. They jacked Deering around awhile, and then simulataneously announced that Sutter no longer played for MLS, and Deering was gonig to Dallas.

    No I don't think the Sutter replaced Alvarez, although it could be. I'll consult what media guides I have here. I thought Daniel Peinado was the replacement for Alvarez. Sutter was actually a "discovery" before the concept was invented. He was acquired because Hugo lasted only a year, as did Washington Rodriguez.

    At that point the rules were rubber. Do you know it took Dougie Logan a year and a half as commissioner before he ever went to a Burn game at the Cotton Bowl?
     
  10. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, it happened one other time in 1996 to the Crew or Revolution, I believe.

    But we're the only team that has had it happen to us TWICE. And the only one that's had it happen since '96.

    Incidentally, the replacements for Leonel, Hugo, and Washington Rodriguez were Alain Sutter, Damian Alvarez, and Dante Washington, respectively. (The allocation that we got when Rodriguez was sold was traded to Columbus for Dante Washington. Meanwhile, Columbus used it to acquire Brad Friedel. I think it worked out well for both parties.)
     
  11. Scipio Gothicus

    Aug 6, 2001
    Cabo San Lucas
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. John Kerr. He had some caps. I immagine that the MLS could argue he was out major US player. Not well, but they could do it.

    7. That had nothing to do with the MLS.

    Read this list and tell me why we should not be suspicious about trading the top overall pick for an allocation.
     
  12. Chamo

    Chamo New Member

    Aug 9, 1999
    Plano,TX
    The only one left is Claudio which I would not complain about one bit.

    Here is the breakdown of where the 94 squad went:

    Balboa, Marcelo Colorado Rapids 96
    Burns, Mike NE Revolution 96
    Caligiuri, Paul Columbus Crew 96
    Clavijo, Fernando None
    Dooley, Thomas Columbus Crew 97
    Friedel, Brad Columbus Crew 96
    Harkes, John DC United 96
    Jones, Cobi LA Galaxy 96
    Klopas, Frank KC Wizards 96
    Kooiman, Christopher TB Mutiny 96
    Lalas, Alexi NE Revolution 96
    Lapper, Mike Columbus Crew 97
    Meola, Tony Metrostars 96
    Moore, Joe-Max NE Revolution 96
    Perez, Hugo None
    Ramos, Tab Metrostars 96
    Reyna, Claudio None
    Sommer, Juergen Columbus Crew 98
    Sorber, Mike KC Wizards 96
    Stewart, Earnie DC United 03
    Wegerle, Roy Colorado Rapids 96
    Wynalda, Eric SJ 96
     
  13. asflagg

    asflagg Member

    Sep 6, 2003
    Hi. This is my first post on this site. Got tired of the racial crap at the Burn forum so I thought I would try this out.

    How about, the only team to play in an inferior venue while at the same time significantly raising the price of admission and parking.

    This might also be one, although others might have the inside scoope. I always thought it was strange that after Diego Sonora ditched the Burn in the middle of a season, the league allowed him to return like a year later to play for Tampa Bay. Didn't he break his contract? Were we ever compensated?
     
  14. gotyourback

    gotyourback Member

    Jul 18, 2002
    Aurora/Arlington
    Welcome to BigSoccer asflagg. No Baya here.
     
  15. Brushes Sand

    Brushes Sand Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    polychronicqatsitime
    Does anyone have any corrections for
    Accuracy on the statements in this thread?

    Is everything stated herein true, to the
    best of your knowledge?

    Please dispute or correct ASAP.

    This list is going to get cleaned up and
    be presented to "higher authorities"
    in 24 hours.

    -bs
     
  16. ArsenalTexan3

    ArsenalTexan3 Member

    Arsenal
    Sep 24, 2002
    Jakarta
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I want a top European Defender.
    A real kit supplier such as adidas, Nike, or even Umbro.
    News on the sss in Frisco.
    Steve Morrow to remain as a coach.
    Be allowed to make it loud and clear so everyone knows Graber is an idiot.
    More than just a major player allocation from the adu shaft.
    adu to be treated like crap.
    A top European midfielder to fill in as the schemer Scipio talks about.
    Vinnie Jones to mentour Jordon Stone.
     
  17. Raider Red

    Raider Red Member

    Jul 30, 2002
    Dallas
    My only grievance

    The girls in the brat-eating contest didn't stand out in the rain long enough.

    Oh, and no more 400-pound dudes in the brat contest. I would have finished in the top three if it wasn't for him.
     
  18. Brushes Sand

    Brushes Sand Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    polychronicqatsitime
    Addendum:

    Ability to predict, one year in advance,
    that Ramon Nunez will NOT be allowed to
    tell the League that "he will only play in
    Dallas with the Burn" but will instead be
    allocated to Chivas USA using a draft pick
    stolen from the Dallas Burn.

    I'm sick of always hearing "so and so
    had to do this, and it was what was best
    for the league."

    I want to hear "X, Y or Z suffered because
    of WHAT WAS BEST FOR THE BURN.

    -bs
     
  19. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    Well Brush,
    I know that we disagree on so much. But, I think that a main gripe should be the "take it or leave it" marketing and team building approach that has been going on ever since HSG became involved.

    Just because you try to dress the team up as Man U., and add some guys with British accents to run things doesn't mean you will be successful in Dallas. Get us a real coach, a real GM, and a real owner. Go meet with some new investors and bring back our old traditions, even if these guys come from south of the border. They will have a better handle on the DFW market than guys east of the Atlantic Ocean.

    Above all, we need a real owner that will go to bat for us and use some political muscle when the league shafts us time and time again. The current turds that "own" this team don't care. The league doesn't care. They are going to have a good chuckle when you submit your list. That is a fact that pisses me off even when I know that you disagree with me on so much. I do know that you are a die hard fan. The only thing that the league and HSG will listen too is the loud sound of empty seats. The list of non-renewing season ticket holders got their attention about South Lake. Now they've thrown you a couple of trinkets, (Cotton Bowl) and they plan to take your cash and run.
     
  20. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    Other than to satisfy your personal craving for establishing a Euro soccer colony in Frisco, would you post this kind of stuff? We are living in the Americas. The DFW soccer market as a whole rejects the Euro retread stuff. If you are interested in the survival of the franchise, then pray that someone begins to cater to the market.
     
  21. asflagg

    asflagg Member

    Sep 6, 2003
     
  22. ScorchedEarth

    ScorchedEarth New Member

    Jun 9, 2003
    hsg could've changed the direction of the burn by getting rid of jeffries. they could've built on the cotton bowl location, the hispanic market, and put latino seats into a sparsely populated cotton bowl by hiring a latino head coach. zarco and graziani, even chivas might have stayed and prospered even more. hsg could've spent important dollars on latino media to pull in more hispanic fans, and built upon that momentum leading to frisco. now the fan groups are very small or gone. the southlake mistake compounded these problems. and now, with the return to the cotton bowl, hsg has screwed up the parking issue once again. i won't be renewing my season tickets for the first time in years. too many bad decisions for me. soccer in america deserves better. maybe swift can have some success. it's too late to bring me and my friends back.
     
  23. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    A wise choice. I agree 100%. The only thing that HSG and MLS will listen to is the fans excercising their God-given right to vote. And the type of voting that will ring loud and clear is an empty cavernous Cotton Bowl next year.

    As to the "what kind of fan are you" "your type will kill pro-soccer in DFW" responses, I ask, is it worth perpetuating this kind of cr@p, just to say that we have "mAJOR" League Soccer in Dallas?

    Either fix it right, or get out of the way so that the next group can have a go at bringing the fans what they want. Whether it be MLS, A-League, an ethnic league, or an extended pre-Liberators type of league with "home" foreign sides. Anyway, Fox Sports Espanol has more good soccer on it than I even have time to watch.
     
  24. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    The airing of grievances? Is it Festivus already?
     

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