Bundesliga Assignments and Discussion [Rs]

Interesting situation from Saturday's Freiburg v Bayern match.

In the 85th minute with Bayern leading 3:1 they made a double substitution.

But only one player came off while two went on.

Play reportedly resumed for 17 seconds with Bayern fielding 12 players until VAR notified referee Christian Dingert.

The confusion was reviewed for roughly five minutes before everything was sorted and the match resumed.

One of the substitutes that entered, Marcel Sabitzer, eventually scored Bayern's fourth goal in the 90+6th minute.

Match info
https://www.kicker.de/freiburg-gegen-bayern-2022-bundesliga-4721743/spielinfo

There are reports that the match result could be looked into.
https://www.marca.com/en/football/bundesliga/2022/04/02/6248791d22601ddb118b4594.html

Kicker's 'live ticker' text commentary (loosely translated):
86' Substitution Bayern: Niklas Sule on for Corentin Tolisso
86' Substitution Bayern: Marcel Sabitzer in for Kingsley Coman
87' The game is currently paused. Something doesn't seem to have gone right when the Bayern team made the subs.
90'+1 It's all a bit unclear what exactly the problem with Bayern's change was. The Bavarians are said to have been fielded more players for a short time. The fact is, the game goes on for now.
90'+1 There are eight minutes of added time due to the long break.
https://www.kicker.de/freiburg-gegen-bayern-2022-bundesliga-4721743/ticker

 

How did Bayern end up with 12 players, if the player has to be off the pitch before his substitute comes on?

I understand how this can happen in a club or high school game, where expectations on substitutions are laxer. In many cases, a non-TV CR will be allowing the substitute to run onto the pitch before the player is off to save time. That means that there will be briefly 12 players on the pitch for one team, but the ball will not be put into play until there are 11 for each side. This is why the whistle blows on a restart after substitutions happen, even if the restart would not normally call for a whistle (e.g. a throw-in).

However, in TV games, the 4th official and AR1 will hold the substitute at the sideline until the corresponding player leaves. If there are multiple substitutions in a TV game, the entering substitute will be at the halfway line, and the player and substitute will exit and enter in pairs, as in volleyball, upon the center referee's signal. The other entering substitutes will move toward the halfway line after the replaced player has left, until the process is complete.

 

When players get pissy at us refs for making players come all the way off before entering, especially in leagues that track subs, I wish we could show them this video.

 

This was easier for the fourth when the departing player almost always left at the halfway line. Now with players going off all over the fourth relies on the rest of the crew to communicate when someone is all the way off. Didn't see the game but easy to imagine that someone said "they're off" and that was misinterpreted as both departing players. Sure though - there should be more awareness to catch it.

Laws cover this issue though so not sure what there is to "look into" about the result

 

While it seems bewildering that this could happen with a 4O to manage substitutions, the only possible explanation I can think of is that the 4O believed the player leaving had left the field on the far side.

And perhaps that is what is being investigated--did the player leave and come back onto the field?

Did anyone get cautioned? It would seem if the 4O let the sub on because the player being subbed left, the player who had "left" should have been cautioned for re-entry. (Though I can understand how the ref team would just eat one in this context unless it was sure it was the player's fault.)

Just imagine if a goal had been scored in those brief moments with 12 on the field . . .

 

The language is not something I understand but see this bizarre thing that happened in #Bundesliga game between Freiburg and Bayern. At a time on the field there were TWELVE (12) Players on the field for Bayern #FREFCB pic.twitter.com/1nkZb0NPhY https://t.co/y1KJMwvkfI

— Kartik O 🏏⚽🔗 (@KOCricket528) April 3, 2022

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Hasan Salihamidžić and Oliver Kahn had a discussion with Freiburg sporting director Saier after the game and left on friendly terms. Bayern do not expect Freiburg to lodge an appeal or follow up with any other consequences [@kerry_hau] pic.twitter.com/T8RelffYT7

— 🇩🇪Mia san Mia Costa Rica🔴⚪️ (@MiasanMiaCR) April 2, 2022

 

Fwiw, referee Christian Dingert and his assistants, Benedikt Kempkes and Timo Gerach, were involved in another substitution controversy earlier this season.
In August during the DFB-Pokal First Round match, Wolfsburg made six substitutions against Preußen Münster, one over the allowable five.
Wolfsburg won the game 3:1 after extra time but Preußen Münster appealed and were awarded a 2:0 walkover.

https://www.dfb.de/dfb-pokal/spielt...runde/preussen-muenster-vfl-wolfsburg-2330059

https://www.kicker.de/muenster-gegen-wolfsburg-2021-dfb-pokal-4726424/ticker

 

This appeal won’t stand. The officials didn’t cover themselves in glory, but they handled the situation in accordance with the Laws. Desperate attempt by a Freiburg team looking for any way to get more points.

 

Why wouldn't you give a shot after the prior game with the extra sub was overturned? Yes, we know that is quite different, but . . .

That said, I totally agree with you that no competent body would take the appeal seriously

 

Freiburg's official statement on their appeal.

https://www.scfreiburg.com/en/latest/news/first-team/20212022/statement-from-sport-club-freiburg-ev/

 

I know slim to no German but this article from Kicker magazine appears to argue that an appeal is appropriate, adding that overturning the result to a Freiburg victory should not be the sanction.

The author makes two points as to why he supports the appeal:
- To clarify who exactly is at fault (Bayern or the officiating team).
- To clarify how many seconds is deemed okay to play with 12 players / What actions can the extra player take before it's no longer okay.

He (apparently) asks how this situation would have unfolded if it had happened in a match during a tight championship race or during a relegation battle where the outcome could have consequences for club employees.
By bringing the issue up now instead of letting it go, clarifications on these rules (which apparently are not addressed by the DFB) can be made ASAP in case such a situation, however rare it may be, turns up again.
That's how I interpret the article, anyway.
Any German speakers out there would probably give a better translation of the article.

https://www.kicker.de/zwei-grosse-m...r-freiburger-einspruch-richtig-896925/artikel

 

Yup. Really important to have clear rules about unicorns. You never know when someone might bring a tame unicorn to the game . . .

 

More like Halley's Comet since that actually exists.

 

Nothing. It is nothing more than pandering to the fan base.