Bundesliga and the rest: Domestic and European competition discussion

I'm not holding my breath on the world witnessing another German footballer winning the Ballon d'Or in the near future or ever again for that matter, because as we all know, German footballers have nowhere near the same media traction as other nationalities.

 

I guess if we had won the Euro, maybe Wirtz or Kroos might have been in the top 5.

Real throwing a tantrum about this not being awarded to Vinicius is hilarious. I mean a Spanish player born in Madrid who played a key role in winning a major title for the Spanish NT has won it instead, you would think they at the very least be diplomatic, understand why and congratulate him not cry about it lol.

 

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Dortmund continue to look like trash

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Who the hell thought it was a good idea to appoint Sahin? It doesn’t make sense to me. To be fair, a lot of the players aren’t that great either but they should be doing better. The recruitment has been poor and needs to be addressed.

 

Now that Messi and Ronaldo are no longer there, maybe there is a chance for a German player to win it. Musiala due to his Messi-esque dribbling style has a lot of fans. If Bayern win the Champions League or Germany win the World Cup or Euro, I think he might win the Ballon d’Or. Wirtz also has a chance due to his attractive style of play.

I agree with you and it’s sad that German footballers don’t have the same media traction as other nationalities. They are always underrated. A lot of people from other other countries seem to dislike Germany.

 

Selke robbed!!!!

 

Apart from Sahin being on the hot seat, Dortmund have 5 players on the cut list in their current crisis: Brandt, Malen, Sabitzer, Suele, Can. They can be sold if a taker is found

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Aren't Sabitzer and Malen pretty good players for the Bundesliga? Why do they need to sell them? I don't watch their matches. I had high hopes for Suele so I am a bit disappointed with the way his career has panned out. Brandt is also a solid Bundesliga player( good enough for a top 6 club). Just not elite. Who are they going to replace them with?

 

It's halftime and Nicolas-Gerrit Kühn has already bagged a brace in the Champions League against his old club RB Leipzig. He must be delighted. The first goal in particular was a beautiful goal from distance. The second one was a tap-in. It's a pleasant surprise that he's a starter for a big club like Celtic. Who would have though?!

Leipzig should be doing better. They shouldn't be losing points to Celtic.

 

its not a surprise though, the skillset was always there but he just wasted too many years at big clubs like Bayern-Ajax and had too many injury/fitness issues.

and I recall you and others wrote him off ASAP too.....ignoring that talent of players doesn't disappear if they don't make it big super fast and then everyone has different career path and to stop looking at players from foreign countries and comparing left and right.

now linked with EPL clubs too.

what goes around comes around, ******** Leipzig, LMAO.

 

It's true. I wrote him off. Props to him for making progress in his career. Nevertheless, I still don't think he's going to be a great player for the national team or a great Premier League player but I would be happy if he proves me wrong. It's nice that he scored a brace against Leipzig but that doesn't mean he's going to be successful in a big league. Leipzig are an inconsistent team. They have 0 points from 4 games and Celtic were at home. It's good that he's linked with EPL clubs but I have my doubts that he will cut it there( maybe for a mid-table club but not for a top 6 club). He's doing well in the Scottish league but it's a weak league.

 

It's the second week in a row that German clubs underperform in the CL. Leipzig lose to Celtic which is pathetic. Dortmund needed a big defensive mistake a few minutes before the end to score the winning goal against freaking Sturm Graz and apparently they didn't create much in this game. That's embarrassing. Neverkusen got destroyed 0-4 by Liverpool. It's worrying. Serie A is now ahead of us in the ranking. We are the 4th best league in the world. I know it doesn't really matter whether we're 3rd or 4th but still...

 

I don't think anyone has discussed the news that Red Bull and Bernard Arnault will buy Paris FC. More and more billionaires are buying French clubs. The French league is going to get stronger in the coming years. We could become the 5th best league in the future which is sad.

 

why do you keep obsessing over Elite-Big clubs? Who cares seriously.

when players like Leweling, Fuhrich, Kleindienst, Fullkrug, Undav etc all get called up to NT and perform and none play in big clubs and none are Elite either.

I feel like your more obsessed with World Class-Elite players and big clubs then about players who can be useful based on skill set to NT.

A Schurrle played for big clubs like Chelsea and BVB and was overall meh at club footy but thanks to him we won the WC14. And he was never world class or Elite but his skillset was what we needed.

its also your obsession with such things that makes you write off players super fast too. Your obsession with comparing Germany with every rival country and if players aren't Elite at teenagers you write them off too. You also don't care that Germany and German players have different issues that others don't too.

 

They perform? Until they help us reach a final or at least a semi-final of a big tournament, I wouldn't say they perform.
We're not going to win anything with a team full of players like that. Maybe having a couple in the starting XI or as impact subs would be fine.

It's true that the likes of Schuerrle and Hoewedes helped us in spite of their limitations. However, we had a team full of stars. Khedira and Oezil were starters for Real Madrid. We had Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Boateng, Hummels, Neuer, Lahm, Mueller. Klose was a pretty good player even though he wasn't quite elite at club level. Mario Goetze was one of the biggest young talents in the world and scored the winning goal in the final. I've mentioned it before that players who aren't elite could help the team but you still need most of the starting players to be elite if you wanna win the whole thing. Or you need the other big nations to have weak generations or injuries to key playes or bad coaches.

What issues do they have? They study more hours than English and French talents? Dual nationals decide not to play for Germany? German clubs don't want to give them a chance?

 

How many truly elite players did Portugal have when they won Euro 2016 or Italy in 2021? For me team chemistry, organisation and utilising players strengths in their specific roles is way more important then trying to fill the team with the bigger name players.

Guys like Fullkrug, Undav, Kleindienst, Fuhrich, Leweling etc bring useful skillsets that can help the team and can be very effective, even against strong opposition such as the Netherlands. Of course you still ideally need some world class difference makers, but we have them in Wirtz & Musiala.

 

Ah yes, the Sepp Herberger philosophy, build the best team you can with the players you have, not necessarily just the best players.

 

Italy had a fantastic spine in that team. A world class goalkeeper( Donnarumma), Bonucci and Chiellini in central defence, a world class midfield trio of Jorginho, Barella and Verratti. Chiesa was a big talent back then before all the injuries. Di Lorenzo played out of his mind.

Portugal relied on a lot of luck. They parked the bus because they didn’t have the players to play well and dominate the opposition. They had a very lucky draw. I mentioned that you can also win if other big nations are struggling with injuries or bad coaches or weak generations. But I would prefer not to rely on luck or other teams being bad. We need to give ourselves the best chance possible to succeed by producing great players.

Agreed. Who said I want just to fill the team with the biggest names with no regard for team chemistry? Of course, I don’t want the coach to play players out of position because they are superstars and have to play no matter what. England have often struggled with that. We need to produce quality players in every position and not try to fit square pegs in round holes.

The Netherlands suck these days. We need more than just 2 great players to compete at the highest level. We need to have at least 6-7 great players in the starting XI, especially in central defence and in midfield.

 

Netherlands was missing de Jong, should be interesting to see how his presence improves the Dutch.

For 6 great players i would suggest Tah, Rüdiger, Kimmich, Pavlovich, Wirtz and Musiala. Pretty decent core.

 

I think the Rüdiger-Schlotterbeck CB pairing works a lot better than the Rüdiger-Tah pairing.

 

-"Italy had a fantastic spine in that team. A world class goalkeeper( Donnarumma), Bonucci and Chiellini in central defence, a world class midfield trio of Jorginho, Barella and Verratti. Chiesa was a big talent back then before all the injuries. Di Lorenzo played out of his mind."

eh Italy winning Euro was 100% thanks to Donnarumma, Bonucci and Chiellini that's it. 3 players in defense won them the tourney.

the rest were all average or just did their jobs and nothing special at the tourney. To be clear taking about tourney, who gives a shit how they do at club.

-"They perform? Until they help us reach a final or at least a semi-final of a big tournament, I wouldn't say they perform. We're not going to win anything with a team full of players like that. Maybe having a couple in the starting XI or as impact subs would be fine."

eh, we almost made a SF with players like this, but we got robbed a Musiala goal that UEFA admitted they robbed. Germany would have won that game and made it through.

-"It's true that the likes of Schuerrle and Hoewedes helped us in spite of their limitations. However, we had a team full of stars. Khedira and Oezil were starters for Real Madrid. We had Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Boateng, Hummels, Neuer, Lahm, Mueller. Klose was a pretty good player even though he wasn't quite elite at club level. Mario Goetze was one of the biggest young talents in the world and scored the winning goal in the final. I've mentioned it before that players who aren't elite could help the team but you still need most of the starting players to be elite if you wanna win the whole thing. Or you need the other big nations to have weak generations or injuries to key playes or bad coaches."

eh, NOBODY believes this. Every single commentator+media etc NOBODY ever called Germany team full of stars. They said that about France, Brazil, Argentina but NEVER Germany all we were ever seen as was "best team of tourney", 0 mention of stars. Even when those losers cried about Germany beating Argentina, they were like fair game, the best team of tourney won.

reality only the main XI was very high quality+then a our 1st 3 subs were good and that's it. Rest of WC14 team was rubbish. The depth of that NT overall was not very deep either. Sure we managed in tourney with injuries and sometimes barely made it out like that.

like if Hummels or Boa had gotten injured or suspended we likely would have lost. We got super lucky that EVERYTHING went our way at that tourney.

 

My only concern with Schlotterbeck is that he is prone to errors. I find his link up play superior to Tahs' but Tah is better defensively.