Bundesliga and the rest: Domestic and European competition discussion

Roca useless from day 1.

 

Doesn't make any sense. Why should Flick,a german coach formerly working for DFB prefer foreign players over germans? Richards is the best of the young defenders in II. And Musiala was the most talented offensive player in II. Unfortunately Tillman is injured, he could have been a surprise

 

Mbi and Musiala are German. Dude Flick is a huge Dantas who doesn't impress fangirl and you still think he makes good choices for youth. Also played Ontuzans who plays 0 games in II in 1st team game.

Musiala has done nothing in II, most talented doesn't mean he's done jack shit in II. Got dispossed tons of games and looked bad in others too.

don't see Richards as best defender and Flick keeps playing him at fullback too. As CB way way too easy to go around him, tons of average 3rd Liga players go around him with ease, leaves tons of space open and jogs too much. Also Mbi was taken to 1st team today as CB bench player too. A player mind you that you were critical of just days ago......what do you say about that.

and Zirkzee impresses neither in II nor 1st these days.

 

Sieb who played 1 game for Bayern 1st team where he got injured looked a just about or more dangerous and explosive player than Musiala in same game. Sieb has got to be 1st Bayern player in years who played 1st team game before II one as well.

yeah him and Tillman being injured sucks.

anyways, Bayern qualify for R16.

 

Bayern through, no surprise. Their depth is a bit suspect though, gonna need luck with injuries if they want to try and retain the trophy.

Real's win v Inter means Gladbach need only a draw at home next week to progress.

Could have 3 BL clubs qualified with a game to spare.

 

Still dont understand you. I talked about your steady assumption that Flick prefers non german players. That he took the currently very weak Mbi in the CL squad shows the opposite. He sees a certain talent in him,same with Musiala. And he showed it in limited playing time with the pros,although I am still not sure he will make it overall. Don't see that talent in Dajaku,Arp and Kuhn who are all also much older. Richards is no premium talent but he plays it solid with the pros. Ontuzans? My goodness, he got some crap minutes, maybe because of his unbelivable injury bad luck, nothing to complain about.
We dont have to talk about Dantas, nobody understands that transfer. But he doesnt play a real role yet with the pros
Would love to see if Stiller could get along with the Pros

 

not sure why you seem annoyed your a Koln fan anyways,
Ontuzans playing over Kuhn yeah that's complanable offense. Ontuzans isn't even good injury or not that's not good reason to play him anyways. He's fit but continues to make 0 squads.

Dantas trains with 1st team from day 1, yeah he has a role more than tons of II players. And Flick always praises him too.

reality is that Bayern/Flick will likely integrate Kouassi in CB over any Academy player. Rangnick was also like Kouassi is best CB prospect in Europe. And Bayern always linked with Upa from Leipzig and other CBs you can guess how long that lasts. Kouassi not included in CL due to injury you can guess he'll be included in Winter.Richards played RB but with Sarr/Pavard no space and when Davies is fit again no space for LB either.

my 1st Inital post also didn't say Flick prefers non-Germans only Flick favs even when most don't do anything in II still get chances.

 

one position that France excels at dev is CB while current Germany struggles to produce great cbs. It's why 1BL is filled with tons of French CBs, always linked with more and almost all of them come to 1BL with pro experience.

wouldn't be surprised if future Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig is all French Cbs, lol.

 

it's suspect because none of Summer transfers are good+injuries. Just imagine Lewa goes out injured for a month, yikes. Choupo-Moting to rescue, LOL.

 

Neuer hands down MOTM today.

 

Sule should be alternative on weekend and Hernandez wasn't fit for full 90.
"I'm happy that Lucas is back. The medical department did a good job to get him ready"

according to TM, Davies back on Dec 2 and Sarr should be fit soon. Only leaves Kimmich as out until Jan 2021.

 

I actually read a lot of comments from Bayern fans who think that his performance was very promising aside from the stupid second yellow card. Time will tell.

I am with Icke on that one tbh. I saw Musiala once with the second team and he was fantastic even though he didn't score a goal. He was the most talented like Icke mentioned.
Regarding Richards, I know which game you are talking about because I watched it after you gave your analysis. I think if you re-watch that match, you will see that 90% of the mistakes you are blaming Richards for are actually mistakes by Vita who left tons of space in behind. Actually Richards had a really good game. His athleticism is very good and he is not bad on the ball either.
I don't think Hansi is as unfair as you make him out to be. I think he is right about Dajaku, Arp and Kuehn. They are too inconsistent. I think Flick or maybe it was someone else from Bayern said that they want to give Arp (and maybe that included Dajaku and Kuehn) consistent playing time in the second team this season instead of moving him(or them) from the 2nd team to the 1st team and then back to the 2nd team almost every week because that will be optimal for his/their development.

 

nope it's not only because of Vita (Vita is just bad at keeping ball but a ton of times he's doesn't advance too much) even last season tons of open space from him and Kohn and others had to make up for it. And Richards does a lot of man handling for defending, that's poor stuff. None of that changes that he got beat to ball tons of times and that he's easy to go around, shit ton of matches its opposing team inefficiency that made it that Bayern didn't pay for it. Lawrence a II newb looks much much composed and a ton less eractic than 2 year older Richards as mentioned there is reason he's played fullback and not cb.

Was solid today nothing great, Bild gave him a 5 rating as posted above. Would say, 4ish would be more fair. He's average on ball for his other game his best asset was crossing on ball wasn't good.

He's a solid player a best, funny how people always say player X or Y not good enough for 1st team but solid player suddenly are and for Bayern too a team that should be player of top class.

Musiala was also dispossed a lot and overdribbling, even physically shrugged off. I mean I recall you were like Dajaku wasn't good and Musiala was and then for that matchday Dajaku was in kicker team of week. And your post is about Musiala in 1 game out of 10??? But you seem really intent on Musiala to point you really want him to play for dfb. Never said he's not 1st team material only that II wasn't that convincing and his 1st XI wasn't great either, still only 17 so time will tell. But he's being given more chances in 1st team to impress than most players too.

Also Lol last season Flick was fangirling a lot over Singh who can't come off bench in 2BL and Cuisance prasing them all the time even when they played poorly and aren't Bayern 1st team material.

that was only about Arp due to past injuries, and Flick point blank said he has to score as much as possible. He never once said that about Zirkee for II. Anyways Arp is wasting his time, lol Flick will give 4th CF game time, pointless, should leave in Summer.

also why you guys bringing up Dajaku, Arp, Kuhn. They most likely won't make it for realz anyways and most of Flick's favs don't deserve any chances anyways that's my point. Like you guys really want to argue that 100% of Flick's favs are Bayern material, lol.

if people agree or not don't really care won't lose sleep over it. At end of day, who cares anyways, people don't have to rate same players. This is still German boards and don't give a shit about dev of non Germans. A bit of overeactions because someone questions Flick's youth chances or likings.

 

what's even more random is how Zirkzee is linked from Summer to now with Winter loan to Koln.

so Koln who are struggling with pts and scoring will loan in Zirkzee to save them, lmao, please no. Club should try to find a seasoned CF to help out not a 19 year old who's extremely raw and doesn't even impress in 3rd Liga and has been poor in 1BL this season too.

 

Flick praised Stiller for dfb cup but it took midfield injuries just to give him 1st team training. And I think if Dantas was 1st team eligible (isn't until Winter) it would be him over Stiller, trained with 1st team from day 1. Even if Stiller has been best II player and team falls apart without him he's not even close to 1st team. Reason he's rejecting/not signing extensions because 1st team perspective is shit. Look at that a kid who does perform for II doesn't get any chances.

if Flick really wanted Stiller, should have made him train all Summer with 1st team.....didn't and shouldn't have gotten Dantas who then jumps to 1st team. Is that really push to make him extend? Very poor attempts so far.

also Bayern fans were perplexed why Flick subbed Stiller at 46st min in Cup vs OL instead of playing him in XI. No real convincing attempts....


or more hilarious, an American CF at Schalke II Hoppe who's only started 1 game out of 15 for Schalke II and rest all sub was called up to train with 1st team today, LOL. Has anyone ever heard of bench II CF getting 1st team chances, LMAO. Schalke fans are perplexed at this too that U19 or II players deserve it more. Hoppe hasn't impressed neither in U19 last season nor in II this season and most of his goals are tap ins. He's reason why Elgert misses CFs like Kruger/Kutucu who could score 10+ goals in U19.

seems to me like doing well in II matters little for these clubs.

 

anyways will stop with youth crap since this thread is about 1BL in Europe.

 

Manuel Neuer made the most saves in the #UCL so far this season. pic.twitter.com/HufFGCF21o

— Bayern & Germany (@iMiaSanMia) November 26, 2020

according to stats, Neuer had his biggest # of saves in a CL game yesterday with 10 saves vs Salzburg. Seriously Neuer is only reason Bayern won and didn't draw or lost.

 

His double save from Berisha on the 1st half was superb. If Berisha scored, the flow of the game change and favored Salzburg

 

Roca played so well until the red card

saying he played bad was pure foreign players biased

 

do u think Flick prefer to play worse players just to lose points? Do u think u know who’s better player than Flick?

why would he prefer to play shit players? To lose a game or what

apparently he is playing with the best players who showed more promise in training or stats analysis

Richards, Roca, Dantas , Zirkzee and co are not perfect but they are apparently better than Mbi, Stiller or Arp . Musiala also showed more promise than Dajaku

simple as that. Zirkzee has scored a few goals in starting appearance for Bayern first team. Arp is even struggling physically n statistically in 3BL

is Flick making a bad choice

yea right , if the foreign players are better, then Fair enough. It’s not like Arp is playing well anyway

it’s a German forum doesn’t mean u can make things up saying some foreign players who are showing promise are “playing bad” . They are not, and Flick prefers them because German players have worse quality than the foreigners now

back to the training issue

if the German players are better, as a coach would play the better players. They need job security too