News: Bruce Arena disagrees with Jurgen Klinsmann over U.S. World Cup miss

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by smokarz, Apr 18, 2018.

  1. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    There is nothing in the players' backgrounds to suggest Soccer IQ is an issue. Even the Bedoya example was wrong. Dude had 2 goals 4 assists in '17. He is on 1 goal and 3 assists this season '18. In other words, he is the same player, a defensive-minded mid, no matter the league.
     
  2. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    What those men had were guts and hearts. Nothing to do with intelligent tactics, especially from Arena.

    I have yet to see another player that left so much on the field like McBride did, while wearing the US jersey.
     
  3. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    The comparison was not between his production in one club and the other, but between his production in his club and in the NT.

    In the NT, Bedoya never looked like a threat because he never had a guy with brains guiding him from midfield.
     
  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Heck, Bobby Wood has a lot of guts and heart. But he doesn't have the brains of those guys, bless his heart.

    The only guys who more or less showed leadership on the field in the last cycle were Jones and Cameron. But one was aging and the other didn't seem popular enough, no one seemed to pay much attention to him.
     
  5. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Zusi had 2 assists in the same WC that Bedoya had zero in.

    Bedoya is captain of the Union where he is one of the leaders on the field.
     
  6. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    For this cycle, Bedoya had 0 goals and 7 assists in 1630 minutes, a level of production in line with what he has done at club level in Ligue 1 and MLS.
     
  7. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Assist against Panama in the Gold Cup '15, and one against Honduras in qualifiers. Everything else was in friendlies or against minnows. In games that mattered against decent opposition, Bedoya was much inferior with the NT when compared to what he was doing with Nantes. He was a non-entity in attack for the most part.

    And that over 3 years.
     
  8. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    His production against decent sides, in competition, was not out of line with his production in MLS and Ligue 1.
     
  9. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Disagree. He was much more dangerous with Nantes. There's a reason why most people groaned when he was starting with the NT, but in 2015-16 he even made team of the week once (before that, before Gillet, he had made the Worst XI twice).

    His last season with Nantes was the high point of his club career, and it's a bit puzzling that the Union got him so cheap:

    http://www.espn.com/soccer/major-le...l-for-the-union-at-a-high-point-in-his-career
     
  10. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Dr.Phil repped this.
  11. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Disagree with what? His numbers in competitive NT matches against decent sides were not out of line with those of both his time in Lique 1 and in MLS.
    Base on what? Certainly not offensive production.
     

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