British Govt. Considered "Ethnic Cleansing" in '72

except it wasn't ethnic cleansing. If you can find any plans in there to go round murdering the catholic population then print them. They proposed swapping, moving protestants out of Catholic areas and vice-versa.

To be honest I read your comments before I read the article and I'm quite surprised that a respected paper would use such terms. It does focus very much on the moving of catholics out of areas, and almost sidesteps the fact of protestants being moved too, or the re-drawing of the borders, giving half of the province (where the displaced Irish were proposed to be settled) back to Ireland. Essentially it portrays a story of "the Brits kicking the Irish out" which is at best misleading and at worst inflammatory. It also pretty much presents it as a plan they they eventually didn't go through with, rather than being a "worst case scenario option" which was dismissed as unworkable.

The article doesn't give the name of the reporter, by why do I get the feeling that he is of Irish origin and wasn't exactly objective in his reporting of events?

BTW, what does the often repeated phrase "the Brits should get out of N.Ireland" mean exactly? Or suggestions that the Brits should be repatriated? Wouldn't that be "ethnic cleansing" too?

 

'Irish'-Americans never cease to amaze me

 

YEP ,these plastic paddies will believe any bit of propaganda they read. lol
I always had cascarino's pizzeria down as the type who puts money in the IRA collection hat.
aint that right cascarino??
I bet you were one of those numbskulls who attended sein feins NYC September 11th conference..

 

Please stop using ethnic slurs on these boards.

 

What slur was that??

paddy??
Thats like calling someone a yank or a limey.
If thats offensive to you ,you've lived a very sheltered life.
LOL

 

Yawn, is that all you got?

Paddy is an extremely offensive term. Just letting you know that.

 

There is an Irish bookmaker called paddy power.
http://www.mybetting.co.uk/paddypower.htm..

Do you reckon that they would use the name paddy power if it was offensive???
people in ireland use paddy as a christian name..
If you have ever been to ireland (which you clearly havent) you would know this..


Dont try to change the subject of this thread and act like the moral guardian of the internet...
i bet you travel around the forums looking for posts to report to the admin..
You would make an ideal jobsworth moddy..

Now back to the subject...

 

My mother-in-law is from Northern Ireland. Born and raised in Holywood (near Belfast), and came to the States in 1952. Her name is Patricia, but she goes by Paddy, which is the nickname she's had her entire life.

I'll have to let her know her name is offensive.

 

You'll also have to let the dictionary authors know as well. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=paddy

Thank you.

 

1. I have been to Ireland twice and I am a grandson of Irish immigrants.
2. I did not report your post.
3. The dictionary lists term as offensive slang. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=paddy
4. Are you always this defensive?

 

So? It's still exactly the same as Yank, Kraut, Frog, Pom, Ruski, Brit, Kiwi, Limey, Taffy, Jock, Dago etc

None of these, including Paddy, have got the same racial connotations as n****r of P**i so why all the fuss? (actually I know why and find it pathetic)

 

That site also says:

Nickname for Irish Gaelic Pádraig, Patrick

Apparantly, the authors you site realize that Paddy is a very common nickname for Irishmen named Patrick and Irishwomen named Patricia. And yes, it's usually spelled with two Ds instead of two Ts.

Paddy is also a pretty common term referring to the Irish in general. Try these Google search results

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=paddy

http://www.google.com/search?q=paddy+irish&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1

 

The term "paddy" can be used in many contexts. It can be also considered as an ethnic slur in a certain context. The cited post was written as an attack on the original creator of this thread. Its context clearly indicates that it was intended as an ethnic slur.

 

Feel free to use them then if it makes you feel good. That's truly pathetic.

 

Oh please. People get insulted too damned easily nowadays.

Paddy is no more offensive than Yank.

 

In fact, "Yankee Doodle Dandy" was originally sung by the British to mock the Americans (if you don't believe me, read the lyrics). The Yankees turned it around and sang it with pride.

 

Fair enough. Feel free to use that term among your Irish friends.

 

African American hip hop artists sometimes use a certain term as a sign of pride as well. Do you recommend using the n-word in public?

 

No. But the use of the n-word is well-known. As someone of Irish descent myself, this is the first I've heard of "Paddy" being regarded as an offensive term.

So if you can't tell the difference, then I pity you.

 

My Irish mother-in-law, Paddy, doesn't mind at all when I call her that.

 

I thought Paddy was a term that could more accurately be described as "condescending" than offensive. A slightly milder version of "Sambo."

FWIW.

BTW, sinner is total a****** every time he posts, so it's a pretty good assumption he was trying to be offensive. Sort of like, if Hannibal Lecter invites you for dinner, don't go.

 

thank you for sharing your ignorance with us, it is much appreciated. The term used was "plastic paddy" which is quite specific in it's meaning and is different from just calling someone a "paddy". BTW, I possibly know, or have known, more Irish people than you (that's Irish as having lived in Ireland, not having popped over once or twice for a holiday). I've heard them use the phrase "plastic paddy" many times, and it is a derogatory term, but it's not an ethnic or racist term. It's not anti-Irish, it's anti-Irish-American, specifically the kind of Irish American who comes to Ireland and goes round shooting his mouth off trying to prove how Irish he is, when he not only clearly has no idea what he's talking about, and only goes to prove how un-Irish he is.

Green Guinness on St Patricks day? Great Irish tradition that.

A friend from Cork told about the large amount of Irsh-American tourists visiting nearby Cobh, and going on how important Cobh was in their heritage, and how they knew all about Cobh, yet to a man they all called the place "Cobb", rather than the correct pronunciation of "Cove". Now fair enough, the average person might assume the English pheonetic spelling, but someone claiming the port (where many immigrants to America sailed from) to be of great personal significance, might be expected to know this little fact.

Many years ago, up until about the 50s, there used to be a catholic team in Belfast called Belfast Celtic. Belfast Celtic went on a tour of the US one year. Obviously the political situation was very tense at the time, even if 'the troubles' hadn't started as such yet. Just as one game was about to kick off, the Irish-American hosts, showing the sense of sensitivity and empathy they are famous for, made the Belfast Celtic team march out behind a large Irish tricolore.

http://www.belfastceltic.net/archive/flag.html

 

How can you not tell the difference between n****r and paddy?



BTW read Richard's paragraph about plastic paddies (the term used by SRM), read it 4 times.

We call Irish-Americans plastic paddies, they call us genocidal mass murderers.... which is worse?

 

Who are they? All Irish Americans? Some? One? This American of Irish descent have never and will never accuse British citizens of genocide. I would never accuse people living today of past crimes.

However, it does not surprise me that the British government considered the deportation option in 1972. It was a crisis. The US government considered the use of nuclear weapons in Vietnam. Governments consider immoral options all the time. That is not the equivalent of war crimes.

The interesting fact that the Irish Free State and Great Britain agreed to consider adjusting the border in the 1921 treaty. It is not a surprise that option was revived in 1972.