British Football Best XIs (1863-1939)

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  1. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Buchan probably never saw prime Steve Bloomer playing I guess (to refer to the comment about that), even though I think one or two Bloomer goals can be seen on the internet so were captured on film. Obviously there was no 'Match of the Day' in Buchan's early years!
     
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  2. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    probably he watched Matthews fantastic display in 1953 Cup final, 1954 Germany, and others and changed his mind...
     
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  3. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    I think even Gyorgy Sarosi comment that he never saw Gyorgy Orth playing despite they were only separated by 10 years !
     
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  4. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    Sunday_Dispatch_1924_09_07_12.jpg Evening_Telegraph_1924_09_09_2.jpg

    ANDREW DUCAT BEST TEAM
    SEPTEMBER 1924
     
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  5. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
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    "Mr. Jones" letter after England was eliminated after Chile 1962 World Cup. Who's Abboots ? :D
     
  6. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I guess likewise Buchan indicates Len Shackleton in effect as "better with the ball" than George Holley (his Sunderland team-mate) but whether that converts to "better player" (considering also inconsistency in Shackleton he referred to specifically) is also hard to say. I noticed he'd said pleasing things about Holley in general lately anyway (on the forum and/or when looking into things when posting the updates on IceBlood's thread - there is definitely some overlap there with selections made by the likes of @peterhrt and inclusions in Xis posted on this thread anyway I noticed too), so surely thought him a great player also.
     
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  7. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I'm not really sure whether Pemberton should be Pennington too (maybe not though)?

    Sometimes when surnames can be mis-spelled/typed it's hard to be sure (or just when surnames are used rather than full names although I suppose with the mention of Lofthouse by one guy for example it is clear it will be the older-timer Blackburn winger referred to, not Nat Lofthouse, because of the era he had been referring to)...
     
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  8. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
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    Arthur Green XI
    23/11/1963

    Sam Hardy

    Bob Crompton
    Howard Spencer

    Frank Forman
    Charlie Roberts
    Ernest Needham

    Arthur Smith

    Steve Bloomer
    Dixie Dean
    Grenville Morris
    Fred Spiksley
     
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  9. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    English "team of all talents"
    05/03/1940 Evening_Chronicle_1940_03_05_3.jpg
     
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  10. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    various comments and stories on old players, 1974 Sunday_Sun_1974_02_17_27.jpg
     
  11. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    Johnny Carey
    07/02/1951
    Daily_Mirror_1951_02_07_11.jpg

    Frank Swift

    Tom Cooper
    Sam Barkas

    Ken Willingham
    Stan Cullis
    Matt Busby

    Stanley Matthews
    Raich Carter
    Tommy Lawton
    Peter Doherty
    Cliff Bastin
     
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  12. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
  13. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
  14. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    M. C. Neighbour of Crawley
    02/04/1950
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    Harry Hibbs

    Bob Crompton
    Jesse Pennington

    Joe Mercer
    Joe McCall
    Arthur Grimsdell

    Stanley Matthews
    Willie Hall
    Tommy Lawon
    Joe Smith
    Jimmy Dimmock
     
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  15. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    "Mr. R" of Burnopfield - English XI
    25/01/1940
    Evening_Chronicle_1940_01_25_8.jpg

    Harry Hibbs

    Bob Crompton
    Jesse Pennington

    Ken Willingham
    Billy Wedlock
    Wilf Copping

    Stanley Matthews
    Charles Buchan
    Tommy Lawton
    Joe Smith
    Cliff Bastin
     
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  16. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    from M. Feely, Solihull
    02/01/1950
    Evening_Despatch_1950_01_02_3.jpg

    Sam Hardy
    (or Ted Taylor or Harry Hibbs)

    Warney Cresswell
    Sam Wadsworth

    Billy Wright
    Frank Barson
    Arthur Grimsdell

    Stanley Matthews
    Charles Buchan
    (or David Jack)
    Joe Bradford
    Billy Walker
    Billy Smith

     
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  17. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Interesting to see this (considering also Meredith's words about Bloomer and Bobby Walker): from 1938 seemingly Meredith and Bobby Walker calling each other the top player in history (with a comparison between Bobby and Tommy Walker, albeit brief, by the person commenting in the article, not by Meredith):
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    Maybe it's one for the thread about players calling other players the best ever, albeit Meredith had decided on Bloomer over Bobby Walker (thinking both available just as inside right it seems) in his XI as shown.
     
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  18. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    There are pieces in which Tommy Walker himself was called a genius though, like this from 1936:
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    While in 1938 there is already talk of tributes to Stanley Matthews after his career is over:
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  19. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I noticed this Man City XI from early 1982, picked by a fan who watched games in the 1930s (subs were Bobby Johnstone, Asa Hartford - in another article from 1997 there were some views about the best Man City player with Bell, Doherty and also Johnstone getting calls, in comparisons among those 4 and with Georgi Kinkladze):
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  20. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I noticed this piece written by Bobby Moore: what "they say" about Ferenc Bene combining some of the trademark qualities of Hidegkuti, Puskas, Kocsis and Czibor (in a centre-forward role, or deep-lying centre forward I suppose - of course in the World Cup Florian Albert played that role and Bene was right winger):
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  21. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    The nazi Peco Bauwens heaping praise on the (perceived) brother people. Thus also Orth. What a surprise.
     
  22. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I noticed another comment seemingly by Billy Meredith (it says W.Meredith in the publication 'London Opinion', in a piece in the Kilmarnock Herald and North Ayrshire Gazette on New Year's Eve in 1909).

    The comment says the following:
    "In English football the game is to go for goal by the most direct route. Players are not encouraged to show how they can wheel and waltz with the ball. Over the border the exact opposite is the case, and cleverness with the ball is the keynote of the game. Scottish crowds love to see artistic trickery, and accurate deft short passing. In a trickery competition the Scots would beat England to pieces. The English lad is told he must either get forward with the ball or part with it. He must not waste time. The Scottish youth is encouraged to dribble and wheel and toy with the ball, and the result is that he becomes wonderfully clever. That is why England has no Bobby Walkers and Scotland has no Steve Bloomers"
     
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  23. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    English football hall of fame ranking, 1975 The_Sunday_People_1975_11_23_43.jpg
     
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  24. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Interesting list. I find Madeley's selection interesting and have often found concurrent sources rating him significantly higher than his current reputation, which seems to be non-existent especially compared to his teammate and world cup winner Jack Charlton, who he is ahead of.

    Madeley has also jumped off the screen to me when watch some recent Leeds games.

    Carey and Blanchflower as the highest rated backs ahead of Moore (and Wright) is also interesting (excluding the 'mythical' Edwards), especially in 75 when Moore has had a full career and should be appreciated. May be there is a small club bias working against Moore and Wright in this type of vote (West Ham and Wolves vs Tottenham and Manchester United)?
     
  25. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    The 'expert' selections they refer to are the ones I posted on the Interesting Best XI thread I think, here:
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/interesting-best-xi.325564/page-64#post-41856294
     
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