British Football Best XIs (1863-1939)

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  1. CristianoPuskas

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  3. PDG1978

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  4. CristianoPuskas

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    Daily_Record_1938_12_02_29.jpg
    02/12/1938 - Jimmy Gordon' teams

    Artists

    Harry Rennie

    Alex McNair
    Tanny Craig

    Neil Gibson
    Willie Lonie
    Peter McWilliam

    Alex Jackson
    Bobby Walker
    R. S. McColl
    George Holley
    Alan Morton


    Go-Getters

    Jimmy Brownlie

    Bob Crompton
    Joe Dodds

    Ben Warren
    Alex Raisbeck
    James "Fister" Walls

    Jock Simpson
    Patsy Gallacher
    Jimmy Quinn
    Tommy Cairns
    Alex Smith
     
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    08/03/1924 - George Robey's best team

    Sam Hardy

    Bob Crompton
    Jesse Pennington

    Frost (?)
    Billy Wedlock
    Thomson (?)


    Billy Meredith
    Bobby Walker
    Steve Bloomer
    George Robey
    Arthur Bridgett

    THREE BEST FOOTBALLERS : BLOOMER, MEREDITCH, CHADWICK
     
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  6. CristianoPuskas

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    24/11/1934 - published on Evening Dispatch

    T. Palmer - Best team since 1920

    Sam Hardy

    George Shaw
    Jesse Pennington

    J. P. Murphy (?)
    Thomas Griffiths
    Billy Hardy

    Samuel Chedgzoy
    Charlie Buchan
    Dixie Dean
    Alex James
    Jimmy Dimmock

    some comments on whether Alex James the best footballer since the war or Charles Buchan deserves that title.
     
  7. CristianoPuskas

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  8. CristianoPuskas

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    14/04/1960 - Billy Walker' team

    Sam Hardy

    Bob Crompton
    Jesse Pennington

    James Gibson
    Frank Barson
    Jimmy Mcmullan

    Stanley Matthews
    Peter Doherty
    Hughie Gallacher
    Alex James
    Alan Morton
     
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    14/03/1923 - Ernest Needham' XI

    Sam Hardy

    Bob Crompton
    W. J. Oakley

    Frank Forman
    Joe McCall
    Jimmy Crabtree

    Jock Rutherford
    Steve Bloomer
    John Goodall

    Dennis Hodgetts
    Fred Spiksley
     
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  10. CristianoPuskas

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    01/07/1952
    Bob McGrory All-time XI

    Jerry Dawson

    Alex McNair
    Jesse Pennington

    James Young (born 1882)
    Willie Loney
    Jimmy Hay

    Stanley Matthews
    Harold Fleming
    Freddie Steele
    Andy Cunningham
    Alan Morton
     
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    07/12/1919 - Jock Rutherford XI
    Sunday_Sun_1919_12_07_9.jpg

    Sam Hardy

    Billy McCracken
    Herbert Burgess

    Alec Gardner
    Colin Veitch
    Peter McWilliam

    Billy Meredith
    Steve Bloomer
    Robert Smyth McColl
    Jimmy Windridge
    Arthur Bridget
     
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    Herbert Smith All-time XI - 08/11/1931

    L. R. Roose

    Bob Crompton
    Howard Spencer

    Ben Warren
    Billy Wedlock
    Ernest Needham

    Billy Meredith
    Steve Bloomer
    G. O. Smith
    Joe Bache
    Fred Spiksley
     
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  13. CristianoPuskas

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    by "Cri" - Team of Stars
    14/11/1928
    Evening_Express_1928_11_14_6.jpg

    Sam Hardy

    Bob Crompton
    Jesse Pennington

    Jimmy Crabtree
    Stewart (?)
    Ernest Needham

    Billy Meredith

    Steve Bloomer
    G. O. Smith
    Edgar Chadwick
    Ted Vizard
     
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  14. CristianoPuskas

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    "best soccer team of all time" from a Hemel Hempstead reader
    07/02/1935
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    Sam Hardy

    Bob Crompton

    Eddie Hapgood

    Fred Keenor
    Billy Wedlock
    Arthur Grimsdell

    Billy Meredith
    Charles Buchan
    Steve Bloomer
    Alex James
    Alan Morton
     
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    Joe Bradford "best ever team"
    15/10/1960

    Elisha Scott

    Warney Cresswell
    Ernest Blenkinsop

    Matt Busby

    Frank Barson
    Arthur Grimsdell

    Stan Chedgzoy
    Johnny Crosbie
    Dixie Dean
    Billy Walker
    Fred Tunstall
     
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    Alf Quantrill - best team played with/against
    14/01/1953
    Evening_Telegraph_1953_01_14_38.jpg

    Sam Hardy

    Jesse Pennington
    Sam Wadsworth

    Willis Edwards
    Joe McCall
    Arthur Grimsdell

    Sam Chedgzoy
    Bob Kelly
    Dixie Dean
    "Bert" Bliss
    Jimmy Dimmock
     
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    Stan Cullis - All-time XI
    13/12/1959


    Probables :

    Frank Swift
    Johnny Carey - Eddie Hapgood
    Matt Busby - Billy Wright - Joe Mercer
    Stanley Matthews - Raich Carter - Tommy Lawton - Peter Doherty - Tom Finney

    Possibles :

    Bert Williams
    Tom Cooper - Andy Beattle
    Eddie Colman - Jack Barker - Duncan Edwards
    Garrincha - Didi - Alfredo Di Stefano - Ferenc Puskas - Cliff Bastin
     
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  18. CristianoPuskas

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    Sam Bartram selection
    15/09/1956 Birmingham_Evening_Mail_1956_09_15_7.jpg

    Harry Hibbs

    Warney Cresswell
    Eddie Hapgood

    Cliff Britton
    Stan Cullis
    Joe Mercer

    Stanley Matthews
    Raich Carter
    Ted Drake
    Jimmy Hagan
    Cliff Bastin
     
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  19. CristianoPuskas

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    Stan Mortensen XI
    06/11/1949

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  20. CristianoPuskas

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    01/01/1972 - Don Revie
    Evening_Post_1972_01_01_28.jpg
     
  21. CristianoPuskas

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    Evening_Express_1922_08_07_3.jpg

    07/08/1922 - by four of the "heads"
    past 15 years team (England, Scotland, Ireland)

    Elisha Scott

    Bob Crompton
    Jesse Pennington

    Jimmy Gordon
    Charlie Roberts
    Peter McWilliam

    Jock Simpson
    Charles Buchan
    Andy Wilson
    Joe Bache
    Alan Morton
     
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    Billy Wedlock - England All-time Xi
    09/01/1945 The_Leader_Post_1945_01_09_10.jpg

    Sam Hardy

    Bob Crompton
    Jesse Pennington

    Ben Warren
    Charlie Roberts
    Colin Veitch

    Jock Rutherford
    Harold Fleming
    Vivian Woodward
    George Holley
    George Wall
     
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  23. CristianoPuskas

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    Charles Buchan English All Stars XI (1955)
    published in his book - A lifetime in football The_Province_1955_02_24_21.jpg

    pre-1925

    Hardy
    Crompton, Pennington
    Veitch, Roberts, Grimsdell
    Simpson, Fleming, Shepherd, Holley, Smith

    post-1925

    Hibbs
    Cooper, Hapgood
    Edwards, Cullis, Weaver
    Matthews, Kelly, Dean, Walker, Dimmock
     
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  24. CristianoPuskas

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    26/03/1931 - best England and Scotland team since 1900
    by "MAN IN THE STREET"

    England XI


    Sam Hardy
    Bob Crompton
    Jesse Pennington
    Colin Veitch
    Billy Wedlock
    Arthur Grimsdell
    Dicky Bond
    Steve Bloomer
    Albert Shepherd
    Billy Walker
    Billy Smith

    Scotland XI

    Ned Doig
    Andy McCombie
    Watson (?)
    (probably John Watson of Tottenham ?)
    Andy Aitken
    Alex Raisbeck
    Peter McWilliam
    Bobby Templeton
    Bobby Walker
    R. S. McColl
    Andy Cunningham
    Alan Morton
     
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  25. PDG1978

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    Maybe good here to refer back to this post:
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/british-football-best-xis-1863-1939.2124483/page-5#post-41190409
    Jock Simpson played for England of course and Bobby Templeton didn't, but as I said before "better with the ball" and "better player" are not necessarily the same thing so hard to be sure he would think Templeton was better I guess.

    Re: Matthews and Finney, the book being from 1955/1956 (I found a date for the book of the latter but not sure if that's right) means it's after the article I'd posted, so whether he rated Matthews higher than ever in the mid 50s is hard to be sure of too but a possibility I suppose (but it could be he gave Matthews the nod based on longevity/'greatness' etc anyway). Whether he only considered Finney for right wing, not left wing too, I don't know (in theory he played enough on the left in England games to be considered there I guess, and that's where he's quite often placed and even in one of Nils Liedholm's XIs - picked from players of his playing days and also including Frank Swift in goal).

    Interesting to see that Don Revie alluded to similarities between Peter Doherty and Colin Bell. This XI by Revie does seem more in the mold of his aggressive-style Leeds teams overall though, especially in the midfield which is not where he put Doherty himself (with several Leeds players in that section and the overall XI) than the XI he picked from just his playing days that was in the Golden Heroes book that I referred to on the 'Interesting Best XI' thread (Trautmann; Hall, Charles, Byrne; Carter, Edwards, Mannion; Matthews, Mortensen, Taylor, Finney).
     
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